Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Phillips (politician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:08, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Anthony Phillips (politician)

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Members of national or sub national legislatures are notable but Phillips is member of a city council which fails Notability (politics). ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 16:10, 6 December 2022 (UTC) Phillips represents more people then some mayors or state representatives. We don't usually have dicussions for deleting Major city councilmembers pages. If we delete phillips' page then we will have to delete hundreds of othersUser:Phillypaboy123Let's Talk ! 10:18, 6 December 2022 (EST)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and United States of America. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk !  16:10, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it matters what city we're talking about. Philadelphia is the sixth-largest city in the U.S., and each member of its city council represents about a hundred-thousand people. Maybe that is still not enough to be considered automatically notable, but it is certainly a stronger case than membership on the city council of Davenport, Iowa or New Bedford, Massachusetts. BD2412  T 21:06, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Deficient rationale for deletion. Not all city council members are notable–this is self-evident. However, a city council member of a major U.S. city will almost certainly warrant an article. According, the actual standards we have for notability are fulfilled by the current stub. Additionally, sources that further evident his notability are easily accessible: The Philadelphia Inquirer 27 Oct, Philadelphia Tribune 8 Nov, and BillyPenn 25 Oct. All of these sources should be sufficient to ensure challenges to notability are addressed. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:48, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Per WP:POLOUTCOMES, I don't think Philipps satisfies the criteria of being from an "internationally famous metropolitan area" (for me, in a US context, this would be New York, LA, Chicago). He may or may not satisfy the GNG, but I don't believe presumed notability can apply here. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:06, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * As an after-thought, I think the size of the city is important, but not determinative. Cities of considerably smaller size can be far more "internationally famous" than larger cities; eg by way of comparison, Miami or Nashville are clearly internationally well known, but notably smaller than Charlotte (NC) or Jacksonville (FL), which are far from being internationally well known. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Again I will state, his predesscors and all the other councilmembers have pages. If we delete this page, the other pages of city council members from urban cities all over america will have to be deleted to fit what you're saying.User:Phillypaboy123Let's Talk ! 10:03, 7 December 2022 (EST)
 * I would encourage reading WP:ALLORNOTHING. If a subject/person etc cannot demonstrate notability based of this encyclopaedia's various criteria, then it cannot have an article. That only has relevance for that particular subject, in and of itself it has no impact on any other subject. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 20:41, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You get my point, this opens up the case of deleting many other urban city council member's pages. User:Phillypaboy123Let's Talk ! 19:28, 7 December 2022 (EST)
 * Not sure I get your point; I disagree with the points you've made that deleting this article would mean deleting a class of articles. FWIW, in my comment, I'm using subject as in the subject of an article, not subject as in a topic area.  Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 09:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The reasoning given to delete this article, gives leeway for many other articles to be deleted. Thanks, --Phillypaboy123 (talk) 08:30, 8 December 2022 (EST)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  21:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm also going to say TOO SOON - it looks like this is a young, newly elected local politician with very little press other than short blurbs about him being elected. The 'BillyPenn' article is about him but the source is only local (local politicians need wide-ish source coverage to meet NPOL). Much more would be needed for this to meet GNG. Lamona (talk) 04:43, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if and when he can be sourced better. While it's true that city councillors in global cities like New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago or Philadelphia are often accepted as notable enough, that isn't an automatic guarantee in all cases — it hinges less on verifying that he exists as a city councillor, and more on the amount of WP:GNG-worthy coverage that can be shown to get him past WP:NPOL #2 (where, note, the test is "who have received significant press coverage"). Securing the notability of a city councillor, in other words, is not a question of nominally verifying that he won the election: it's a question of writing and sourcing some substance about the impact of his term in office: specific things he did, specific projects he spearheaded, specific effects his work had on the development of the city, and on and so forth. It's possible, maybe even likely, that he'll have enough coverage at some point in 2023, when his term in office can be measured in months — but just 20 days after the election, when it isn't even entirely clear whether he's even been sworn into office yet, the type of content and sourcing it takes to make a city councillor notable clearly isn't available yet. This isn't a "never", it's just a "WP:TOOSOON". Bearcat (talk) 16:13, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


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