Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Alawite Sentiment in the 2011-2012 Syrian Uprising


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy delete as created by a blocked user in violation of the block (confirmed by checkuser), and also as promotion, as the article served only to promote a particular point of view. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Anti-Alawite Sentiment in the 2011-2012 Syrian Uprising

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This is a clear and obvious WP:POVFORK from Sectarianism in the 2011–2012 Syrian uprising. I suspect the user who originally created the page, User:Grimso5, may be a sock of User:ChronicalUsual, who was blocked for disruptive editing on Syria content before, and I am all but certain that the user who recreated this page after its content was moved to the "Sectarianism" page, User:FavorLaw, is a sock of ChronicalUsual. The article name is blatantly POV; all of this content is already either included in the "Sectarianism" article or it could easily be incorporated there. Both editors' purpose in creating and then recreating this page (whether they are separate individuals or not) appears to be to promote an anti-Syrian opposition POV. I am not opposed to include verifiable information no matter who it looks bad for, but this doesn't need to be a separate page, it was already moved to a less POV title, and this is a clear case of POV forking, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia. Kudzu1 (talk) 23:30, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge rather than delete. There is nothing wrong with the information. FunkMonk (talk) 23:39, 25 February 2012 (UTC)


 * No, there isn't. That's why I don't have a problem with almost all of it being present, almost verbatim, on the Sectarianism page. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Keep 1) You are paranoid with your baseless accusations. 2) This is not a fork from the sectarianism page as the sectarianism page has been created AFTER the page you are nominating for deletion. This is a massive logic failure from your part 3) If anything it is the Sectarianism page which is the fork created by user:Sopher99 who already tried to merge, redirect and speedy delete the nominated page because he did not like the content. You are following his path --FavorLaw (talk) 23:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, the info will be kept. FunkMonk (talk) 23:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The content is all on the Sectarianism page. That wasn't a fork, it was a move to a less POV title. This is a fork. -Kudzu1 (talk) 00:09, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * It was a fork. A fork of the Syrian Uprising page to begin. Sopher99 created a new page, took all the content from a section of the Syrian Uprising page and made a redirect for the nominated page, erasing all the content of the page. I did not know how to revert such a move, which was done without any discussion so copying back has messed up the chronology. But it went like that. After that, Sopher99 has tried to merge and speedy delete the page he had already tried to erase with its content. Then someone else copied the content of the nominated page and pasted it directly on the Sectarianism page, without discussion too. --FavorLaw (talk) 00:15, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * So the content has already been merged, as it should have been, and this page can be deleted. -Kudzu1 (talk) 00:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No need to delete, just redirect it. FunkMonk (talk) 00:56, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * A merge has to be discussed before it happen. It was not the case and some people, including me, opposed the merge. --FavorLaw (talk) 09:11, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course. I have no problem with restoring this page to being a redirect to the original article. -Kudzu1 (talk) 01:16, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Keep - Because the Alawite minority holds power in Syria, Alawites form a special and obvious target for negative sentiment, violence and lynching by those opposed to the current government. Their special position of minority-but-governing makes them a specific case that should not be tucked away into a general article on sectarianism. - TaalVerbeteraar (talk) 10:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * We don't have a problem with article length. There's no reason that information can't be covered on the same page where treatment of Christians and Sunni Muslims is. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:51, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly. We're not at 50 kb yet, no need to split. FunkMonk (talk) 19:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Syria-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:05, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Important note - User:FavorLaw has been blocked and tagged as a sockpuppet of the disruptive editor User:ChronicalUsual. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:55, 1 March 2012 (UTC) 
 * Merge to Sectarianism in the 2011–2012 Syrian uprising, same topic. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 07:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:14, 4 March 2012 (UTC)



Comment - I forgot to mention earlier that User:Grimso5, the original author of this page, was also blocked and tagged as a User:ChronicalUsual sockpuppet. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge: This page deals with one element of the topic of the sectarianism page. If that page got too long, it would be justified to have this one, but that isn't the case. I don't think it will be either, especially since much of the bulk of both pages seems to be reporting large lists of incidents with similar themes. --Yalens (talk) 16:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.