Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-American sentiment in Germany


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Clearly not delete, but no consensus whether to keep this as a stand-alone title or merge to Anti-Americanism. That discussion can continue on the talk pages with no need for further AfD involvement. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:03, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Anti-American sentiment in Germany

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Article relies on WP:synthesis and opinion pieces to make its point. Rolling together WWII, Cold War East Germany, and refusing to send troops to the Iraq War does not an actual topic make. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  Kpgj  hpjm  16:37, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States -related deletion discussions.  Kpgj  hpjm  16:37, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep The article is an expansion of an existing section, it contains NO factual errors as far as I know, and is more than relevant. --Kingdamian1 (talk) 16:26, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note that we have articles on ''Anti-American sentiment in.... Russia, Iran, Argentina, Pakistan and Korea. In addition to Anti-Irish; Andi-Polish and many other Anti-(fill in nationality or ethnicity) articles.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:35, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep article needs improvement, but topic is legitimate and copious sourcing is out there. Including scholarly articles (Markovits, Andrei S. "On Anti-Americanism in West Germany." New German Critique, no. 34 (1985): 3-27. doi:10.2307/488336; Gassert, Philipp. "The Anti-American as Americanizer: Revisiting the Anti-American Century in Germany." German Politics & Society 27, no. 1 (90) (2009): 24-38. http://www.jstor.org/stable/23742778.; Gienow‐Hecht, Jessica C. E. "Always Blame the Americans: Anti‐Americanism in Europe in the Twentieth Century." The American Historical Review 111, no. 4 (2006): 1067-091. doi:10.1086/ahr.111.4.1067.)


 * WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP. Just tag it for improvement, better sourcing.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:35, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It is, in fact, a paltry article. A significant topic, but a paltry article thrown up in a hurry by an editor about whom I have significan doubts after encountering him at 2 AfDs..E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:32, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - there is certainly plenty of coverage to satisfy the notability grounds, even stripping out a number of sources, and more can be found online (a few are given by E.M Gregory). Additionally it is a massive topic - 2 G8 countries, the negative links between them is easily significant enough (I'm not sure what specific grounds this point was premised on, so apologies for a vague response). Nosebagbear (talk) 21:34, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Merge - The article is poorly written and skewed toward recent events. Unfortunately, in most cases, no matter how poor the article is, it is not enough to delete it. I suggest either sending this to draft space or find a competent writer ASAP.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 22:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Leflyman and Alpha make good points, and I just cannot get over the fact how dirt-poor this “article” currently is. Hence, a selective merge, hopefully not overly skewed toward recent events.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 17:18, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge into Anti-Americanism, where this is already covered. The topic doesn't have enough content for a stand-alone article, and it makes more sense in context with other European nations.-- LeflymanTalk 21:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge into Anti-Americanism, which already has a similarly detailed, if not more comprehensive, coverage on sentiment pre-2016 &mdash; Alpha3031 (talk &#124; contribs) 14:08, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge into Anti-Americanism. Content is not detailed enough to merit a separate article. —  Newslinger  talk   17:28, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. &mdash; Alpha3031 (talk &#124; contribs) 12:02, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. &mdash; Alpha3031 (talk &#124; contribs) 12:02, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment I noticed this somehow ended up in the games or sport category, which I found a bit weird. I've moved it to society topics, which I think is a better fit.&mdash; Alpha3031 (talk &#124; contribs) 12:09, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: For discussion on the merge-target, primarily.
 * Comment - If the decision is for merge, Germany–United States relations is another possible target, as pointed out by Kingdamian1 above. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &#x222F; WBG converse 10:22, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note that article creator has been blocked.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:37, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note to closing editor, Comments above argue for deletion or merging on the grounds: "how dirt-poor this “article” currently is," "doesn't have enough content for a stand-alone article," "Content is not detailed enough to merit a separate article.", that merge target is superior to this paltry article. All of which is true.  However, the topic actually is significant, and, given that our articles on parallel topics are titled "Anti-American sentiment in ...(wherever)", it might be better to DELETE this article altogether and leave the topic available for a knowledgeable and willing editor to create a solid article.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep This is an important sentiment which has potential. The article is not in great shape but that is not a great rationale for deletion. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 23:40, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Eddy is totally correct. (see my comment near top of discussion).E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:23, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Note that contrary to assertions above, the section at the merge target is woefully out-of-date, and significantly inaccurate. This is an important topic in need of an editor.  E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:31, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: Excepting the nomination, the !votes entirely are split between merge and keep. The arguments presented are:
 * The article is on an important, notable topic, with no factual errors and significant coverage in reliable sources.
 * However, it does not have sufficient content to justify an independent article, and regional context may be valuable.


 * I believe that both options have merit, and on review of the articles in question, it seems that both options would require significant ongoing maintenance. The existing spinoffs from Anti-Americanism are of inconsistent size and quality, and the whole section is overly long, at >50k characters. I still believe that a merge is appropriate, and that Regional anti-Americanism is the most appropriate target, but I will be taking actions to clean up the article.— Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:06, 5 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.