Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-German (ideology) (2nd nomination)


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The result was nomination withdrawn. MER-C 05:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Anti-German (ideology)

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A mess. Although it did for some unknown reason survive its first AfD nomination, it survived as "keep and cleanup" - and the article is STILL a mess. I believe it constitutes Original research and never will go beyond it. It is very well possible that it is an inherently POV article. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 00:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. The need for a cleanup is not a reason for deletion. Why would it be "inherently POV"?--Carabinieri 14:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: On further thought, the points raised by Carabinieri are very valid. Therfore, I would like to rather adress it's verifiability, as I believe it constitutes original research. Although tagged (on occassions) with cleanup since April 2006, it still hasn't introduced one single reference. Moreover, I would like to further question it's notability - what exactly is the "anti-german ideology"? The article isn't clear on that, and the very first two sentences appear to contradict each other: a generic name applied to a variety of theoretical and political tendencies within the radical, communist left in Germany versus the Anti-Germans emerged as a distinct political tendency immediately thereafter. In conclusion, it seems to me that this is a weak attempt to brand opposition to the concept of nationstates (as the radical left tends to engage in) as an ideology bent on the destruction of Germany. After all, our own article on ideology states that an ideology is an organized collection of ideas - this doesn't seem to be organized, a collection or even an idea. It rather seems to be a description of Anti-German sentiment as expressed by Germans. And Anti-German sentiment already has an article. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 19:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The anti-Germans are, however, a unique current in the German left. "Anti-German" isn't just a term this article uses to describe them, but rather the way this current describes itself. I agree that the page should probably be moved to Anti-German (left-wing current) or better Anti-German (communist current). Especially since most anti-Germans would indeed reject the term "ideology". But just like the need for cleanup, the need for a page move also is not a reason for deletion. There is no single anti-German organization or even a homogenous anti-German theory, as there is a large difference between the various groups and organizations. But there is definately a current in the German left, which calls itself anti-German. And it is definately notable: there has even been an article in the Guardian about them, though I have to admit it's not very good. Here is some more English-language information available on the net about them just so you can get the idea who the anti-Germans are: , , . Hey, I agree with you this article is not very good. So the solution is to improve it, and I would actually be very thankful if you could help me in doing so though unfortunately most English-language sources aren't much use.--Carabinieri 21:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Convincing arguments, interesting articles. I hereby retract my nomination; or rather, I "vote" keep. The question now, though, is, what should the new article be named? How about Anti-Germany (communist current)? Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 00:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
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