Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Taiwan independence sentiment (2nd nomination)


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The result was Draftify‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 05:59, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Anti-Taiwan independence sentiment
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Per WP:NOTESSAY Amigao (talk) 04:21, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and Taiwan.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:39, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Previously deleted last week at Articles for deletion/Anti-Taiwan independence sentiment. WP:G4? Curbon7 (talk) 08:41, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The previously deleted article was a one paragraph stub. This is not a G4 situation, let us consider the present article on its merits. —Kusma (talk) 08:52, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Curbon7 (talk) 19:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * This is based on an unattributed translation of zh:反台獨情緒. I think it is a worthy topic, but a terrible article. The original Chinese article is mostly a quote farm, and the present version is worse. Translating zh:台獨派, "Taiwan independence faction" as "pro-democracy people" is clearly incorrect, for a start. I think this requires WP:TNT to have any chance at a decent coverage of the topic. Delete or stubify. —Kusma (talk) 09:45, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree with, this is a noteworthy topic, but article within the realms of TNT, possible redirect to Taiwan independence movement, but the title is grammatically ambiguous, Opposition to Taiwan independence would be best. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 01:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Draftify. This is a student assignment (I am the instructor). The student jumped the gun by publishing the draft in the mainspace before asking me for a detailed feedback. This is not read for mainspace, although I think it is a notable topic (otherrwise I would not approve it); it is broader than the linkted to at Taiwan independence movement, as it concerns the anti-Taiwanese sentiment in Mainland China (see also GScholar query). I'd ask for this to be moved back to draft. Hopefully by the time class is finished in December, this will be ready for mainspace. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:14, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Pinging previous commenters: @Kusma @Goldsztajn. Also, @Curbon7 - this is semi-relevant, as I see the old deleted article was an early draft by my student. Apologies for not noticing it earlier, I provide students with detailed feedback on my talk page, but if they do not request feedback, I fear some stuff can be missed even through I try watchlist their discussion pages, etc. If anyone wants to follow/monitor more activity of my students (I'd cetainly appreciate it), the course page is here. (Note the students are all ESLs). PPS. Please see my prior feedback to the student on this from June; that includes among others my comment on the "pro-democracy people". My current feedback is here. Feel free to leave messages on my talk pages or on student talk pages with additional feedback. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:48, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I only comment on the title; whether it concerns mainland views and/or those on the island, "Anti-Taiwan independence sentiment" remains grammatically ambiguous. Opposition to Taiwan independence is grammatically unambiguous and does not exclude opinion on the basis of geographic location. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 08:00, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * True, this term does not seem to exist in academic discourse. Anti-Taiwan sentiment, pararelling anti-Chinese sentiment, is a bit better, used by a few sources. but is not very popular, either. opposition to Taiwan independence is indeed more popular, and I'd support renaming this thus. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:32, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't mind draftifying, but it does need serious work. —Kusma (talk) 08:22, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


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