Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antigua honeymoon murders


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus, defaulting to keep. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 13:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Antigua honeymoon murders

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This is a tragic event, but (unfortunately) not all that unusual; it has caused a press sensation, accusations of blame are flying about, alterations to police powers in Antigua are proposed, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a newspaper, and this fails WP:NOTNEWS: "Articles about items in the news are only considered encyclopedic if they are verifiably of significant lasting and historical interest and impact." I have added an article about one of the victims, which also fails WP:BIO1E. JohnCD (talk) 14:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete It's sad, but not really needed on Wikipedia.--User:Islaammaged126 14:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Tragic story, but one that belongs at Wikinews, not here. Wikipedia is not a memorial site. --Clubjuggle T/ C 16:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. That's what WikiNews is for (and this probably wouldn't meet their notability guideline there anyway). &mdash; Mizu onna sango15 Hello!  23:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It probably would, actually - it did make news around the world (if coverage of it here in New Zealand is anything to go by). Not really Wikipedia material though, so weak delete. Grutness...wha?  02:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Antigua honeymoon murders and redirect Ben Mullany. If an event creates "sweeping legislative reforms in Antigua" it is unquestionably notable. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions.   --  brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 05:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions.   --  brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 05:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.   --  brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 05:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Since it's too early to tell if it's going to create any kind of change in Antiguan law, I vote it be deleted. It's a news story and a very sad one, but it's a.) not a very useful article as it stands and b.) not something that belongs in wikipedia.  213.94.249.141 (talk) 00:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, notability indicated by major press coverage. Everyking (talk) 07:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - "Many things are in the news and are reported by numerous reliable and verifiable sources... yet are not of historic or encyclopedic importance." (WP:NOTNEWS). JohnCD (talk) 09:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Something that causes a sovereign nation to want to fundamentally overhaul its criminal law is not important?-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 14:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't accept WP:NOTNEWS. Everyking (talk) 09:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. This afd epitomizes that WP:BIAS is all about. These murders has a major effect on the Antiguan society. Because of this murder, there have been legislative attempts to overhaul and revamp police powers. In addition, it has renewed the always controversial death penalty debate. These facts are well-sourced in the article. Nonetheless, since it doesn't have a great societal effect on English society, editors consider it of no importance. -- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 01:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, The article should not be deleted because the murders are significant. They are an impetus for change in Antiguan law (and no, it is not too early for me to say so). In addition to the aforementioned changes cited in the article, there is more. Quoting the following article which can be found at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7556016.stm, " Antigua's government will introduce the death penalty for crimes involving weapons in the wake of the murders of a British honeymoon couple. The new sentencing legislation will be for anyone who uses a gun or knife in a crime which results in death or serious injury. " The new law also imposes a requirement for judges to hand down a minimum sentence of 25 years in prison and enables judges to ask for a life sentence if need be in cases involving assault with a weapon. Under current law, the death penalty is applied only in murder cases. This legislation will apply it to any crime involving a knife/gun and to gun trafficking. Also, the previous law required that there be a maximum sentence of 25 years in prison for assault with a weapon. I'd say that these changes are pretty significant. The changes have been made in the article. Curvedatoms (talk) 05:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Let the families grieve in peace. Howard Alexander (talk) 21:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This premise that the families of the murder victims do not a Wikipedia article about the murders comes from where? I would actually think the opposite is true, and the families would like to publicize the murders so that (a) it shouldn't happen again and (b) the murders should get the proper punishment. But assuming you're correct, a Wikipedia article won't make much of a difference in their "peaceful greiving". There's already tons of newspaper articles world-wide about this issue. -- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 14:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article meets the requirements of Notability (criminal acts).Nrswanson (talk) 13:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


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