Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antje Douvern


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Absolutely 0 prejudice towards a renomination at any point. This discussion suffered badly from a lack of diverse participation. Daniel (talk) 06:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Antje Douvern

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No evidence of notability. Sources given are databases and one passing mention on a sportsclub website. Looking for other sources gave no results. Fram (talk) 14:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: closer to delete than keep currently but no clear consensus yet, another 7 days may find a resolution
 * Delete a non-notable speed skater.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep is a notable German speed skaters. Skated at ISU World Cups and is a medalist at European championships. You can’t find the 1980s and 1990s newspaper articles via Google. (Please tell me where I can find old German newspapers!!) With local sources I showed the nominator many times a speed skater is notable. I showed the national speed skaters from the Netherlands are notable and even the international lower-level Mongolian speed skaters. But I found sources about her, from more recent events 1, 2, 3. SportsOlympic (talk) 20:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Medalist at inline speed skating, which gets a lot less attention than ice speed skating. Your sources are two from a local newspaper in the section "regionalsport" (one about her, one where she is interviewed about someone else), and one from the organisation she works for. As for "With local sources I showed the nominator many times a speed skater is notable. ": a few times this was the outcome, at other times it was shown that a speed skater, even one who participated in ISU world cups, wasn't notable (just like articles on Dutch speed skaters have been deleted). Fram (talk) 08:10, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It doesn’t matter if it is a regional source! (See also AfD Wendy van der Poel). See another source here, and see more when googling. I’m not going into detail about one that was deleted, also because we didn’t look in the national news sources of that era during the AfD. SportsOlympic (talk) 14:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That "another" source is the same one you labeled "1" in your previous reply. Fram (talk) 15:17, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. 1 World Cup event (Inzell, January 1986 with 3 races in it) thoughout her career is nowhere near good enough to pass WP:SPORTCRIT or underlying guidelines. It's closer to a joke, actually. Geschichte (talk) 23:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Anybody else want to weigh in?
 * Note The article has multiple reliable secondary sources about the subject. That is what is needed for WP:GNG. Besides of that I proved at Articles for deletion/Sylke Luding that all secondary German sources as newspapers and sport magazines of the era of her active career, are not online. And as the German countries were the best in that era; it’s highly likely the sources exist. Also, it’s a common thing in speed skating that of the best nations many notable speed skater cann’t represent their nation at international competitions; as only a few speed skaters can participate at the international events. SportsOlympic (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep - the 3 refs stated in the creator's initial keep just about show a passing of GNG, in my view Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HistoricalAccountings (talk) 06:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


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