Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antoine Dodson


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Even though there are twice as many "keep" !votes as "delete" !votes, most of the "keep" !votes are not grounded in policy. Their rationales include WP:INTERESTING, WP:USEFUL, WP:VALINFO, and references to his current "fame." However, although a few of the "keep" !votes mention the possibility that he will not "remain a low-profile individual," they do not provide evidence that this does not fall under WP:BLP1E. There are many reliable sources available but nearly all are related to the event. Even the song, Auto-Tune the News, is related to the event; correctly, it does not have its own article but is rather a redirect. In the future, if the subject continues to receive coverage, recreation will be permitted. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:49, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Antoine Dodson

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As prurient a BLP1E as I can imagine. Currently unsourced other than to Youtube videos. Note that this has already been speedied twice (the two previous deletions are unrelated). – iride  scent  18:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I can't be the only one who thought of looking this guy up on wikipedia.  What good does it do to Wikipedia to delete this?  It's information.  Encyclopedic.  Period.  I don't get why this would be controversial.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikpatt (talk • contribs) 02:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - and salt to stop it being recreated. Off2riorob (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Clearly not per WP:BLP1E in terms of policy and guideline, and good sense in terms of everything else. Delete. Pedro : Chat  20:10, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: "routine news event" + "shock news" + "viral phenomenon" -- it's almost as though that line in Notability (events) was written specifically with this article in mind. Baileypalblue (talk) 20:40, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What Off2riorob said above. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:54, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: What more is there to say? Favonian (talk) 20:57, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep...for now He must be notable when NPR actually discusses the societal and racial impact of his meme. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 23:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Baileypalblue. Wikipedia is not a news host for people famous for one thing or being YouTube celebrities.  — fetch ·  comms   02:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * DEFINITELY KEEP: He has become a national sensation worthy of a news spot. If he isn't on Wikipedia, it diminishes the inclusive spirit that makes this site so great. He is more than just a fad but now a real celebrity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.31.239 (talk) 07:16, 8 August 2010 (UTC)  — 67.244.31.239 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * For the love of God, Delete Fails GNG, no significant mentions Reliable Sources, and finally NOTNEWS. Good grief, the stuff that gets created these days. Skinny87 (talk) 08:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * STRONG KEEP In addition to being a notable YouTube celebrity, Mr. Dodson's comments and popularity has sparked a debate about race, homophobia, the internet and humor. NPR isn't the place where such discussion is taking place. See here, here, and here.VarunRajendran (talk) 10:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * STRONG KEEP A very importanat article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.66.13 (talk) 14:34, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Famous on the internet, covered by news websites, NPR, etc. Clerkenwell ''TALK PAGE!" Contribs 16:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * - — Theclerkswell (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * So what? Lots of things are "famous on the internet". Why does that make them encyclopedic ? Pedro : Chat  21:32, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep He is pretty famous now, needs to be covered on Wikipedia. 1Matt20 (talk) 18:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "He's famous now" according to who exactly? You? WP:OR ? "He's famous" does not mean "He's worthy of coverage by an encyclopedia". Pedro : Chat  21:32, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete None of the keep votes have addressed the BLP1E concerns. The article needs to go. Nev1 (talk) 18:36, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete what BLKP 1E was invented for--I invoke it very narrowly, and think it much overused here, but this is an example of why we should have such a rule. The misuse of "famous" in a few of the comments above shows why Wikipedia does need the concept of notability  DGG ( talk ) 19:06, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This guy is huge. It shouldn't even be a question. (BLP1E says A person is non-notable "...If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event, AND if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual..." OBVIOUSLY he is not a low profile individual. Run and tell THAT! Rapidosity (talk) 21:03, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Dodson has had a societal impact, especially about life in low-income housing projects, and has prompted a social dialogue. The nerve he's struck is similar to the "Don't tase me, bro" episode at the University of Florida. AuthorAuthor (talk) 22:40, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And we do cover that at University of Florida Taser incident. I don't see a need to rename this to Huntsville, Alabama attempted rape news report incident but I suppose we will if we must.--Milowent • talkblp-r  00:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: Subject has received major coverage and is actively marketing himself now.  There was a 5 minute clip on NPR about him just this week!--Milowent • talkblp-r  00:29, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Coverage proves they're notable. Citybrand (talk) 00:39, 9 August 2010 (UTC) — Citybrand (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep The Bed Intruder Song in which Antoine Dodson is the main vocalist, is now charting on the iTunes chart, which technically makes him a recording artist. This, accompanied with several viral videos should be enough to merit an article on him. Mkimemia (talk) 07:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep: I second this notion. BLP1E is irrelevant, since his notability should be established though being a charting musician.TheGoogler (talk) 06:24, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and welcome to the 21st century. This isn't "just being in the news". Nowadays "just being in the news" can lead to you being on iTunes, top on YouTube, and all over the news for an unrelated matter. This article may have BLP issues but the whole story definitely seems to pass WP:GNG. A lot of the articles in Category:YouTube videos are about similar events... change the title to make it less of a BLP problem if you must. - file lake  shoe  10:16, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The man is appearing in a lot of coverage and as mentioned has charted on iTunes now. That said the article needs heavy modification. For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:45, 9 August 2010 (UTC).
 * Delete I agree with DGG that BLP1E is often misused in attempting to delete articles, but here it applies, rightly so in my view. The coverage seems to be entirely related to one event and notability is solely resulting from this event. (It is interesting how very different are people's views on the substantiality of fame and importance. I expect it has a lot to do with the age of the person making the assessment). Thincat (talk) 22:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * BLP1E says A person is non-notable "...If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event, AND if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual..." You're apparently only looking at the "single event" part. If a person is high profile, whether from a single event or multiple events, he's notable. Rapidosity (talk) 01:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * IMO the wording of BLP1E is atrocious, "...or is likely to remain low profile" - how are we supposed to make this assessment? I haven't been editing heavily in the last 2 years but since when did Wikipedia become a crystal ball? - file lake  shoe  09:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We wait until the subject becomes high profile for reasons not connected with the one event and then we create an article. Thincat (talk) 12:35, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It doens't matter whether the person is high profile for one events or more than one event. He's high profile so he gets an article. Rapidosity (talk) 19:21, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That only applies if the person is low profile. He's not. He's high profile. Rapidosity (talk) 19:21, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - Momentary blip on the internet landscape, not a sufficiently significant subject for inclusion. Carrite (talk) 22:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Dobson is now relevant as media personality and becoming hard news like it or not. Covered by major news outlets (NPR, Washington Post, CBS News) regarding social commentary on rape, racial impact and status as internet sensation. Stars in pop song currently #3 on Apple's Itunes r&b charts. Internet videos attracted well over 7 million viewers within ten days. Wikipedia without Dobson is unaware and incomplete. — 68.238.191.138 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The song is now #25 on the i-tunes "all songs" chart.--Milowent • talkblp-r 17:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * So what? Do we have a itunes makes you notable, no they don't. Off2riorob (talk) 17:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Do we have an itunes doesn't make you notable, no they don't. I was just noting how his fame was increasing during the course of this AfD.--Milowent • talkblp-r  18:00, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the song by him, or about him?Slatersteven (talk) 19:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It is credited to him as the artist, as they lifted his interview into the song.--Milowent • talkblp-r 20:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Keep him! Why would you even consider deleting his Wiki page? He's a sensation! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.140.231 (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. One nes evetn and some internet popularity notablilty does not make.18:10, 10 August 2010 (UTC)Slatersteven (talk)
 * Keep New coverage in WP:RS supports notability. 90.200.240.178 (talk) 19:57, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Bed Intruder Song is actually the newest internet meme. -- Petru Dimitriu (talk) 22:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. Tomorrow's chip paper.... Bjmullan (talk) 22:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * STRONG KEEP - I head about this guy and wanted some more information about him. What is the first website I go to, Wikipedia. It's quick and fast and has an article for almost anything you could think of. If Wikipedia had not had an article for this guy I would have been highly disappointed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Komi77 (talk • contribs)
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 * Weak Keep There is currently a strong media following and interest surrounding him. However, by next week, he will probably be forgotten. Kevinbrogers (talk) 02:55, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep If Pants on the Ground and its author, are acceptable onto WP:BIO, then why shouldn't he. Plus Bed Intruder is getting millions of hits. Phrasia —Preceding undated comment added 03:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC).
 * Keep* He's an internet sensation that may just continue. It can always be deleted later. --Firetwig (talk) 19:32, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete what Kevin said: he'll be forgotten by next week. Slow news day, Congress isn't in session, so the big hitters need something to cover. Classic BLP1E. Sceptre (talk) 03:09, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. WP:BLP1E does not apply because Dodson is notable for both the event itself and the hit single that features his vocal talents. Dodson is a veritable media phenomenon. Uncle Dick (talk) 23:34, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. He's only famous for one thing. Being turned into a meme doesn't make you notable. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 01:00, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "Famous for one thing" is still famous. You misunderstand BLP1E. It's talking about a person that is a "low-profile individual," not a famous person. Dodson is not a low-profile individual. He's famous. He's notable, as a result of the single event. Notable is notable. If you read [|People notable only for one event], it says "When an individual is significant for their role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both. In considering whether or not to create separate articles, the degree of significance of the event itself and the degree of significance of the individual's role within it should be considered." So, see? It's taking it for granted that it is appropriate for a  person that is notable for a single event to be represented on Wikipedia. It's just a matter of whether to make the article about him or the event. Rapidosity (talk) 17:26, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep His song continues to climb on the iTunes chart and his notability only continues to grow. Quite worth of an article on here. --71.185.62.217 (talk) 19:17, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * - — 71.185.62.217 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep. Because of "how Antoine Dodson himself has responded to the situation in recent days... don’t discount how Antoine Dodson is trying to reclaim ownership of the meme by embracing various social media platforms. Let’s face it – he's literally become a brand overnight." NPR – all tech considered blog -Shootbamboo (talk) 01:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.