Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anton Hysén


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The result was   keep. Big Dom  20:16, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Anton Hysén

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Fails WP:NSOCCER — Swedish soccer (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 19:41, 9 March 2011 (UTC).
 * Comment Although there's no doubt about the players in the Allsvenskan, Division 2 is at the fourth level in Sweden, something analogous to Class A baseball. Mandsford 20:07, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Here notability doesn't arise from his club association but from the coverage about his status as an out professional player. Hekerui (talk) 23:11, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment A player who only played in the Swedish fourth division is not a professional player. --91.20.88.70 (talk) 23:21, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The Basler Zeitung article says so in its title - if you have better info, please cite a reliable source. Hekerui (talk) 00:01, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hekerui is right that he might qualify under WP:N as a gay athlete who has "come out of the closet", which is still unusual in men's team sports. I had only been looking at this under the subject specific guideline of WP:ATHLETE, which I do not believe would apply.  However, I don't see evidence that he's considered to be that notable either in the gay community or among sports fans; and I don't think he would have been interviewed at all, but for having a famous father.  Hence, I'd still say delete. Mandsford 00:57, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
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 * Comment WP:FPL says us that only players who played in the first Swedish division are professional players. That a player who only played in the fourth Swedish division is not a professional player is as self-evident as christmas is not in March. --91.20.62.207 (talk) 08:56, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:FPL doesn't say that. It only says that the list includes "fully professional" leagues. Most countries AFAIK don't have a system in which leagues are clearly divided between professional and amateur sports, and in Europe you'll find many professional athletes in the lower leagues. By "professional" here I mean "makes a living by being an athlete", if you have a different definition please let me know.Sjö (talk) 13:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 18:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge & redirect - fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG, so not worthy of a seperate article. However, could be worth a mention at Homosexuality in association football. GiantSnowman 18:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - Has been subject of extensive press coverage and this is a rare event in men's football. PaoloNapolitano (talk) 18:24, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep: I don't think there's any question as to whether he meets the footy guidelines; he doesn't. He does, however, seem to meet the GNG, which of course trumps the presumptive notability criteria of WP:ATHLETE.  That he might not be getting this press coverage if he didn't have a famous father is defensible, but entirely speculative, and certainly irrelevant: WP:GNG doesn't stand and fall on WHY a subject is discussed in reliable sources; only that he is.   Ravenswing  20:41, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE but certainly does WP:N, the latter clearly supercedes the former. Fully agree with RGTaylor's assessment of the guidelines but for me this is a clearly notable person; regardless of his professional/amateur status he's received a large amount of press coverage and as such should not be deleted on notability grounds. BigHairRef | Talk 00:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Further comment Whilst I'm not suggesting that good faith should be discounted, the fact remains that this AfD is the nominator's first edit. They're free not to but I'd quite like to know why the first (and so far only) mainspace edit on their account was making a potentially controversial nomination.BigHairRef | Talk 00:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Covered in media in several countries. I agree that he doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE but meets WP:N.Sjö (talk) 06:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Sjo: Covered in media in several countries. --Dispe (talk) 00:27, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep He seems to meet several criteria for minor notability at least: 1) He is one of a handful of professional or professional-trajectory male athletes to come out and has received extensive press coverage for this. 2) His famous family (father is famous former pro athlete, two brothers are also footballers) should be considered a reason to keep him in: e.g. Chastity Bono and Candace Gingrich would hardly be notable for their sexual orientation/gender identification if not for their famous relatives. 3) Even if he doesn't go pro, he may well become an LGBT spokesperson, because of the current media coverage and his name recognition. While that's speculative, he seems notable enough to let this ride out and see whether he's a flash in the pan or someone with minor celebrity staying power 4) I would again raise the question of why this article has been targeted for deletion by an otherwise inactive member. I was shocked when I looked him up to get further information after seeing the coverage, and then saw a big AfD banner splashed across the top of the page. -- Mccajor (talk) 00:58, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * keep: clearly meets WP:GNG, weather he meets sports specific guidelines is irrelevant. He has multiple articles in the mainstream media of many countries. --MATThematical (talk) 03:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I too looked up this article after seeing the coverage, wanting to find out more about him. I realise Wikipedia isn't an advocacy platform but there may be a lot of young gay people out there who can see this guy as an example and will want to know about him. It remains to be seen what happens in his future career but given what ultimately happened to Justin Fashanu it would be nice to have a positive article on an LGBT footballer. SynEx (talk) 20:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: per . While undoubtedly he does not meet notability standards on sporting merit his "coming out" has won him extensive media coverage in numerous countries. I say keep. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 00:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per arguments made by  Francium12  01:37, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Suggest a closure as snow keep as there's no sense to keep this running the full length now with such an overwhelming consensus. Clearly meets WP:GNG now (BBC World Service has interviewed him as well, so that's widespread media coverage) so WP:NSOCCER is superseded. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs • Editor review) 09:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I haven't been editing much with my username (reason: I dont want to log out of swedish WP) so thats why my contributions are so few. However I agree with Sjö and others. Danieldnm (talk) 19:36, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Fails WP:NFOOTBALL, but has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, so meets WP:GNG. Argyle 4 Life  talk  20:39, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
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