Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antone Belt


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As always, GNG is the trump card over local guidelines, and as pointed out by SportingFlyer and Mnnlaxer amongst others, there is little to show he passes this. Black Kite (talk) 16:20, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Antone Belt

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Tone Belt was a collegiate long jumper. He has never even competed in a single international championship for adults. He did compete in one World Junior Championships, but did not win. As such, Tone Belt fails Wikipedia guidelines as a junior athlete who never transisted to the senior stage. Geschichte (talk) 11:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  11:09, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  11:09, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * FYI - the subject has already been subject to a deletion discussion at another title: Articles for deletion/Tone Belt.
 * Keep The subject has won the American collegiate national title and been competitive in multiple events at senior national level in the United States, in additional to having won an international junior medal. Also notable for having a number of national-level firsts for the Louisville Cardinals team. He ranked in the global top 80 for two events in 2006. SFB 19:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete previously deleted in 2010, all of his accomplishments were before that, and the article's sourcing is terrible in terms of WP:GNG. Agree with nom here. SportingFlyer  T · C  13:44, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability is covered by his national championship in my mind. Sourcing is iffy, but that seems to be the case more often than not for track and field, especially as a jumper instead of a runner. I found that he is now an associate athletic director at Toledo, and had a leadership role in the athletic department at William & Mary. In other words, the article could be improved and possibly saved.--Concertmusic (talk) 15:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 04:37, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete for failing WP:NTRACK and lack of media notice. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:32, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, lacks WP:NTRACK and little media coverage. Kolma8 (talk) 18:17, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - while the above editors are correct in asserting that this person fails WP:NTRACK, he does pass WP:NCOLLATH as being an All-American (let alone a 7 time All-American]]. While he didn't win multiple national titles, he did win one, and came in second the following year, that with the All-American status puts him over the edge for NCOLLATH.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:48, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:NCOLLATH reads: College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage. It's not accomplishment-based, it's coverage based, and I haven't seen any qualifying coverage yet. I get 13 hits on Newspapers.com when typing in "Antone Belt" 2006-2020, and all 13 hits are agate. SportingFlyer  T · C  01:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I read that differently to you as something that is accomplishment-based. That effectively says that (for example) the reporting of winning of multiple individual national titles itself constitutes "non-trivial media coverage". Note that the guideline is specifically saying coverage of the listed accomplishments is to be treated as non-trivial, not that additional coverage beyond that it required. Kind of wiki-lawyering here which isn't my bag and I prefer to stand on my reasons above, but if people are looking for a rules-based outcome then clearly the subject is in WP:NCOLLATH scope. SFB 01:58, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. "Non-trivial" here clearly means the media coverage - if the accomplishment is non-trivial but the media coverage is trivial, then the article would fail WP:GNG. SportingFlyer  T · C  02:13, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The achievements section was a clear COPYVIO, so I've removed it. Apologies for doing so while there's an AfD active, but copyvios are important. SportingFlyer  T · C  01:24, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 03:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Agree with previously stated delete comments - impressive college athlete, not an Olympian, no additional big competitions beyond what’s stated and poorly-sourced in the article. Lacks WP:SIGCOV. Agree however that WP:COLLATH seems to be the strongest claim.  Duncan079 (talk) 19:07, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails significant coverage in reliable sources. Current sourcing is very weak and nothing new has been proposed. GNG trumps COLLATH in marginal cases. - Mnnlaxer &#124; talk  &#124; stalk 14:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


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