Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonia (daughter of orator Marcus Antonius)


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The result was   merge to Marcus Antonius (orator).  MBisanz  talk 12:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Antonia (daughter of orator Marcus Antonius)

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Permastub, notable for one event only (her being kidnapped), which is already mentioned in the article about her more notable father. I don't think being an ancient Roman is an exception to notability guidelines. (Note that the German Wikipedia has an article on Antonia as well, with no more content than this one.) Ratzd&#39;mishukribo (talk) 00:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge with Antonia Major -- I added some family tree info to the article, which might help, or at least, I hope it doesn't cause more confusion. This Antonia was the eldest daughter of Marcus Antonius, and one of three daughters that he had named Antonia. With his next wife, he had daughters Antonia Major and Antonia Minor, both of whom are notable, for being closely related to several emperors of Rome, as wives, mothers, aunts or grandmothers. What makes Antonia, the subject of this article, notable, is the effort to disambiguate her from the other sisters named Antonia (Major and Minor). If the article isn't kept, then it should be merged with Antonia Major and/or Antonia Minor. OttawaAC (talk) 02:02, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This Antonia was not the daughter of the triumvir Marcus Antonius but of his grandfather Marcus Antonius (orator); I have corrected this in the article. In the German Wikipedia one of the relevance criterions, if an article should be included in Wikipedia, is, that the article is mentioned in an standard encyclopedia, and this is the case, because Antonia ist mentioned in the German Realencyclopädie der Classischen Altertumswissenschaft. But if in the English encyclopedia there are other relevance criterions than the article might be deleted. There are no other informations recorded in the sources about her than I have written. --Oskar71 (talk) 13:49, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep based on the AfD precedent at Articles for deletion/Blastus. Persons written about in premodern days are notable, IMHO.  I can't see that the consensus has changed on the topic.  This concept is valid because so few people could read and write 2,000 years ago, that if someone were to write about a person, it was likely to be a very important person.  In this case in particular, she was not only a prominent noblewoman, but a notable crime victim. Once notable, always thus. Bearian (talk) 17:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I am changing my !vote to merge. That appears to be the consensus now. Bearian (talk) 20:09, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Theo polisme  02:21, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  00:10, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I think Bearian's argument is not applicable here. Unlike the Blastus case, there is virtually nothing to say about Antonia herself that is not part of her father's history; that is to say, a well-written article about her could never contain any more information than the paragraph in her father's article mentioning the kidnapping incident. Considering the number of people named Antonia and Marcus in Roman history, though, some of the information should be turned into a disambiguation page of some sort. הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 00:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. There's only one sentence that's actually about Antonia, the rest is about her family. It seems that other than her kidnapping, there's nothing else to say about her. Since the kidnapping's already mentioned in Marcus Antonius (orator), there's nothing to merge (except maybe the cited sources, if they're relevant). DoctorKubla (talk) 07:37, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - This article needs a name change if kept. No opinion as to notability. Carrite (talk) 17:21, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Why? To what? הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 18:17, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.