Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonio Graceffo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Mailer Diablo 19:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Antonio Graceffo
Delete. Vanity page. Admittedly the guy has published some books, but his use of Wikipedia is pure self-promotion. He's not a good citizen either -- he reverted the effort to size down his page (remove his myspace link, etc). If he won't follow the rules, we don't need his personal page cluttering up wikipedia. This stuff is fine for his myspace page but doesn't belong here. --technopilgrim 18:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per above as vanity. Consists almost entirely of links to his own articles; little assertion of notability, certainly no good sources linked that were not written by him. Diagonalfish 19:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete No indication that the books were published (an ISBN # doesn't count). Weak Delete OK, I found the Amazon links. Still doesn't reach notability I think. - Richfife 19:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - clearly vanity. Akradecki 21:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didnt quite understand what happened when some of my links were gone. I thought something had gone wrong and I restored them. I have asked my webguy to decrease the page dramatically. If the page still looks like vanity, please help me to edit it down. As for actual contrbutions to the world at large, Monk from Brooklyn is still the only book ever written by a foreigner who studied at Shaolin Temple. In fact, as far as I know, only two first hand books have been written about training in China. The first was Mark Salzman, Iron and Silk. My Taklamakan Desert book is one of only a very few, I have been able to find only two others, about a modern crossing of the Taklamakan Desert. My articles about hill tribes and ethnic minorities in Thailand and Cambodia are some of the only ones that exist on these subjects. (The books have definitely been published, which you could verify by checking with amazon or by googling the titles.)

So, please help me to make the page acceptable. But please reconsider deleting it entirely. Antonio Graceffo antonio@speakingadventure.com


 * Comment - There's kind of an unofficial rule of thumb in regards to notability: If you aren't notable enough that someone is willing to create an article about you entirely on their own initiative, then you're probably not notable enough to be on Wikipedia.  You mentioned that your "webguy" (i.e. publicist) put up the article.  That's a big no-no on Wikipedia.  Articles should be created by disinterested parties.  I could make a case of notability for myself ("Created first live broadcast audio system for the internet!  Created first live broadcast video system for the internet!  Developed some of the critical engineering protocols to allow video games to play smoothly on the general internet!"), but there's no page for me.  If someone's inspired, they'll do it.  Meanwhile, I'll wait. - Richfife 20:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Inspire me to do a page on Richfife. JAnne 17:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment That would be cheating - Richfife 17:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't delete give the guy a chance to trim his page of self propaganda. JAnne 17:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete vanity. --Peta 06:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Trimmed down, still essentially a CV. Could be recreated by someone other than the subject if/when any of his books get reviewed. ~ trialsanderrors 02:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


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