Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anuzutica

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Anuzutica
The article is a prank, created by anonymous AOL user. If there is such thing as an "Anuzutica," it is not central to Ethiopian culture, as the author asserts. Derg and Ethiopia both link to this article, after links added by anonymous AOL users (though with different IPs.) -- Gyrofrog 20:04, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC). Oh yeah, Delete. -- Gyrofrog 01:32, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC).
 * Delete. Appears to be a prank. Be sure to remove links from Ethiopia and Derg when it goes. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:23, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I had already done this, think I should I leave them as they were until the deletion? - Gyrofrog 01:29, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, no problem there; I just wanted to make sure that we have covered all the bases. Wile E. Heresiarch 02:21, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, possible hoax. Megan1967 01:43, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Why is this topic being deleted? So I sense ribald racism against the colored people of Ethiopia here? It truly saddens my heart that such archaic sentiments should rear their ugly head in an inclusive community like Wikipedia. - Anonymous Black Contributor
 * Above post is from 198.81.26.46, who linked to Anuzutica from the Ethiopia article on Feb. 19, and has already been listed at WP:VIP for vandalizing Ethiopia article on Feb. 20. -- Gyrofrog 04:01, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * My apologies. The edit actually originated from 198.81.26.42, which also happens to be an anonymous AOL address.  However, I somehow doubt that I've made a baseless accusation, and suspect that both IPs are the same user (or co-horts). In any case, if I'm not mistaken, anonymous votes here are not counted. -- Gyrofrog 04:52, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My white brother, let me say this only once. For hundreds of years, the black man's votes didn't count. This is nothing new. Oh no, there is no new thing under the sun, just as Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes when the man was holding him down because he was black. See, he knew that there was nothing new about racism, nothing new about hate - but that didn't stop him from raising his voice and saying that there's a time for the brother man to speak out. There's nothing new about racism, but that didn't stop Malcom X or Martin Luther King or Rosa Parks or Jesse Jackson or Louis Farakon or Al Sharpton. And I'm not about to let it stop me from speaking up for my rights as a person, either. So you can say all you want that votes from the black man don't count. But let me tell you something, brother. Jesus was a black man, and its a black man who'll be your judge at the Judgement Seat. Then we'll see whether or not votes from the black man are counted, then we'll see. In the meanwhile, I'm gonna keep on speaking up when I see articles on my heritage being deleted for no other reason other than their race. I thank you all for reading this and pray that you'll make the right decision and let this article stand. Oh, let it stand, brothers, like Shadrach, Mesech, and Abednigo in the sea of fire - let it stand and be unharmed!

- Anonymous Black User


 * Delete. Zero Google hits. Your paragraph above failed to provide any evidence that this is not a prank; most likely it itself is part of the prank. -- Curps 18:01, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

So now my voice is a prank, eh? Well, don't expect me to laugh, brother, no, don't expect me to laugh, because this ain't no "Amos and Andy" show!

- Anonymous Black Contributor


 * Delete. Zero hits, unless it is given a believable reference about it. Bogdan | Talk 16:12, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep - I may not be black or particularly religious (ok, not at all) but if something is important to a specific group of people, then it should be kept. What if a fan-of-pop-hater-of-everything-else put Metallica, or Slayer on the VfD?  We would then tell them that a lot of people like them and thus it is an important article, or would we go through the VfD process?? Should this be any different?Selphie 16:40, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC) *talk*

May I say that I feel where you're at, my FInal Fantasy playing sister. I feel where you're at, and I say Amen! Just this morning, I posted on the community forum, asking my brothers and sisters for help against the waves of racism that appear to be sweeping this site, and the man took my message down. But that didn't keep my message from reaching your ears, sister! That didn't keep my message from reaching your ears! For its not my message that speaks against racism, its the message of Jesus! See, you can hold the black man down now by deleting his messages all you want, but there is one black man's message you can't hold down! Yes, my sister, that black man from the hood of Nazareth spoke mighty words that can never be clicked away by the white man's keyboard. Let me just say, that nobody will be hitting "backspace" at the judgement seat, sister, nobody will be hitting "backspace" and deleting the words of the Book of Life. So that's why I still have hope, that in spite of all of this vile persecution, my article will be lead into the promised land.

- Anonymous Black Contributor
 * Delete unless someone can cite sources. Susvolans (pigs can fly) Did you know that there is a proposal to treat dissent from naming conventions as vandalism? 19:13, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Brother, my souce is first-hand experience living in Ethiopia. Twelve years of my life were spent in this country, and I vouch for this information. If you will not listen to the Ethiopians in regards to their own culture, who will you listen to? You want a white man to act as the authority on the black man's heritage?

- Anonymous Black Contributor

Comment: The anonymous comments defending this article are originating from IP addresses 198.81.26.42 and 64.12.116.74, both of which are AOL. Both IP addresses are also defending Muddy joy on its VfD page (where he made a similar accusation of racism, only this time claimed to be American Indian (why not claim both, if applicable?)). Note that both articles Anuzutica and Muddy joy were originally created from the same IP address 64.12.116.138, which is also AOL. I strongly suspect all three IP addresses are the same person (or persons, coordinating their efforts). I also believe the same user may have used 198.81.26.15 (added link to Anuzutica from Derg) and 198.81.26.46 (added a link to Anuzutica from Ethiopia, and then vandalized Ethiopia following the link's removal.) -- Gyrofrog 22:20, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The rants by the supporter(s) of this article do not exactly inspire confidence. Whether it be humour, vandalism or political statement, this material has no place in Wikipedia. I have not yet seen any third-party evidence that subject of this article has any basis on reality. GeorgeStepanek\talk  21:11, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence for existence. Even if it does exist, it must be very obscure not to have a single web reference.-gadfium 21:17, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Also suspect this person has used (or was in cahoots with) 198.81.26.73: see here, this is similar to the "proverb" in Anuzutica.     Also  198.81.26.11 may be same user, as this edit refers to Muddy joy. -- Gyrofrog 07:10, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Trolled "Village pump (news)" 15:44, 23 Feb 2005 concerning this VfD, using IP address 198.81.26.103 (AOL again) -- Gyrofrog 21:43, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Completely at odds with the documented culture of Ethiopia. Until a few decades ago, it was ruled by an emperor, and a hierarchy of aristocrats; chieftains & tribal membership play a minor if any role in that land. The responsible editor needs to either furnish documented proof of this custom's alleged existence, or knock off the silliness. -- llywrch 23:31, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and block the anon. RickK 00:37, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: All IPs suspected to be connected w/ user have been reported at WP:VIP. (FWIW...) --Gyrofrog 07:10, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nonnotable and/or hoax. -R. S. Shaw 06:34, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)\

This is not a hoax. This is my culture.
 * Well then why don't you go to the library (you must have one at Concordia, no?) and provide us with some references.

Try: "Jewels of Northern Africa," by J.P. Kiloma;Pages 346-349; 437; Appendix A "Pre-imperial Ethiopic Customs"

Also try: "They Shall Come from the East" by Brenda Holman for a brief mention of Anuzutica in a literary context (note the scene in the novel where the missionaries Miriam and James bicker with an Ethiopian envoy. They talk about "arcane riddles in which you've buried God as though he were a reeking body, to be dug up by your graverobbing sons when they ascend to power." Sounds a bit like the Anuzutica, no?). (preceding comments from AOL address 64.12.116.74 -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:43, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC))

Two more books that explicitly mention the Anuzutica:

"When the World Began: Stories Collected from Ethiopia" by Elizabeth Laird

and

"Ethiopia, the Unkown Land: A Cultural and Historical Guide" by Stuart Munro-Hay (preceding comments from AOL address 198.81.26.42 -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:43, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC))

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
 * Swallowing the bait here... Zero Google hits on either the Holman or Kiloma titles.  Same goes for the authors themselves. Also unable to find books or authors on Amazon.com. But assuming good faith, I searched the databases of several college libraries for this book or its author, starting with Concordia University, Irvine, CA, from where previous anonymous comments found here were made:
 * Search for author "Kiloma" produces zero hits at Concordia - Irvine, Univ. of Texas, Oxford Univ.
 * Search for title "Jewels of Northern Africa" produces zero hits at Concordia - Irvine, Univ. of Texas, Oxford Univ.
 * Search for title "They Shall Come from the East" produces zero hits at Concordia U. - Irvine, Univ. of Texas, Oxford Univ.
 * Search for author ""Holman Brenda"" produces zero hits at libraries of Concordia U. - Irvine, Univ. of Texas, Oxford Univ. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:43, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * The Laird and Munro-Hay books exist, but at this point I won't check either of them without relevant page numbers.
 * Note to admins: This has been on VfD for over a week, would someone please put an end to this? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:43, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)