Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anya Selecki


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Anya Selecki

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Non-notable actress lacking Ghits and GNews of substance. Appears to fail WP:BIO and WP:ENTERTAINER.  ttonyb (talk) 23:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom's notability concerns. Article was created by a single purpose account, who was likely an alternate account of User:Anya selecki (see user page for an exact replica of this article).  Most likely a self-promotional autobiography.    Snotty Wong   chat 23:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

ttonyb,

I know anya for many years, and I was the one who noticed that every bozo in Number96 has full wiki pages.

I suggested to her to to create something more complete then "non existing/no info available".

If you think that "no info available" is more valuable then Anya's bio, then I cant help it.

Your the Admin, your call

Regards, Ralf Rweger (talk) 23:58, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No sign of notability. - Darwinek (talk) 13:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

August 27, 2010 Dear Wikipedia Administration:

To Whom It May Concern:

Re: Deletion Discussion of Wiki Main Page: ‘Anya Selecki’

In all due respect, before I begin a point by point premise for your consideration, I would like to pose a poignant question:  If after the seven day discussion,  you do decide to delete the page, ‘Anya Selecki’, are you going to follow through by deleting Wiki Main Pages titled: ‘Dina Mann’, ‘Candy Raymond’, Harry Michaels’,  ‘Michael Thompson’ ...? I could add more to this list but I do not wish to waste time by belaboring a point. These people (actors, writers, actors/writers/models) have their main pages in Wikipedia. They worked in Australia, in and for approximately the same time range as Anya Selecki. In fact some of them co starred with her in a number of the same top rating television shows i.e. ‘Number 96’, ‘The Paul Hogan Shows’, (where Anya Selecki (Saleky) was a repeated guest artist), ‘Alvin Purple’ as well as a number of other very well known nationally aired programs. 1. Anya Selecki (stage name Anya Saleky) was a ‘Number 96’ long standing, full time, five night per week/ an hour each night / contracted actor with a nation wide fan club (one that over the years has aged, but not forgotten their past T.V. friends)..

2. ‘Number 96’ has aired on American N.Y. Cable at the close of the last century, and more recently, in the past decade, it aired in Italy, making it a more or less ongoing, present day venture for ‘long standing’ encyclopedic entry.

3. In The Wiki pages, ‘Paul Hogan Shows’ and ‘Number 96’, the name Anya Saleky is noted, a description of her work is given, and a link on her name is made available, yet it leads to a non existent page ‘Anya Saleky’.

4. In early August 2010, I attempted to see how Wiki worked by creating a page: ‘Anya Selecki., stage name Anya Saleky’. This was a test. It was deleted by Tyrol5 on 08August, 2010. (for lack of citation issues)

5. I ‘talked’ with ‘Tyrol5’ on the talk page and received a kind response from ‘Rje’ to go 	ahead, keeping in mind the need for references, citations, neutrality and non promotion.

6. I followed this advice and created a page, ‘User: Anya Selecki’, with 30, (thirty) references.

7. I also made certain to include ‘live’ present day people references i.e. Mr. Kevin Sadlier, a very well known Australian entertainment journalist and columnist of many years standing who, (due to his professional visits to my home), knew of the caliber of my celebrity and of my real name, Anya Selecki.

8. On August 24, 2010, not wanting to double up on information, I redirected the non existent ‘Anya Saleky’ page, to the ‘User Anya Selecki (stage name Anya Saleky) page’. Even though I had been studying the Wiki guidelines and ‘help pages’, I omitted to see that a redirect cannot be made to a user page. The 'Anya Saleky' page was deleted by Todst1 on 24 August, 2010. (due to redirect issues)

9. After reading Todst1’s reasoning and advisement, on August 25, 2010, I placed a ‘hang on template’ on the deleted ‘Saleky Page’ together with  a note on the ‘tyrol5 talk space’ re the ‘Anya Selecki Talk page’. The note gives an alternate method, with textual explanation, for how I had thought of proceeding with the 'Anya Saleky' page, and asking for further administrative advisement. (this note has to date not been answered)

10. Todst1 on 24 August, 2010 (above #9) also made reference to BLP’s (Biographical Living People), that they are more appropriately written by people other than themselves.

11. Dr. Ralf Weger, (Wiki Editor: Rweger), a Doctor of Science, a Geophysicist at the Rosenstiel Campus of UM (The University of Miami), was in fact the person who supervised and indeed under -wrote the entire Anya Selecki (stage name Anya Saleky) project.

12. After seeing the problematic procedural issues that the project incurred, he took precious time from his heavy work load and accepted to come forth, to become a Wiki editor and actually submit the page himself, giving his credentials (his website and CV) along with his signature and his support.

13. As a result, on the 25 August, 2010, his article ‘Anya Selecki’, which he placed on the main page has been listed for a Deletion Discussion. ( as per administrator ttonyb for ‘non notable actress lacking Ghits and GNew‘, and per administrator, SnottyWong, for notability concerns as well as, ‘Article was created by a single purpose account, who was likely an alternate account of User; Anya selecki, (see user page for an exact replica of this article). Most likely a self promotional autobiography.’

14. Surely you do not plan to delete the other (above mentioned) main pages i.e. that of ‘Dina Mann’ etc. and other notable members of the ‘Number 96 ‘cast, of ‘The Paul Hogan Shows’, of the ‘Alvin Purple Series’ ... etc.,  (ref Ms. Snotty and ttonyb ‘non notability’ comments)

15. Surely you do not plan to delete every main page of an actor, writer or artist who places his/her web site as an external link, calling it self promotional? 16. Surely Mr. John Cornell (producer, actor and writer of Paul Hogan projects) who references and links his businessman’s website on the first paragraph of his Main page ‘John Cornell’, or Mr. Sylvester Stallone (ditto), with his informative tables, cannot be seen as self promotional?

17. Surely you would agree with the millions of Wiki users, world wide, that these personal websites links are in keeping with the helpful online nature of Wikipedia’s Encyclopedic format, and, that they, together with the expanded biographical CV’s give added ethical credence to these Wiki pages.

I have respect for Wikipedia.

Due to my administrative, editorial experience in educational institutions, (which were not listed on the ‘Anya Selecki’ page so as not to overly distract from the artistic content),  I am confident, in view of all the above appropriate considerations, that you, who administer in the best interests of the community, including of course in the valid interests of its Australian readers and contributors, will find that the main page ‘Anya Selecki', (with its inbuilt redirection from the non existent page ‘Anya Saleky') is in keeping with Wikipedia’s Encyclopedic, ethical, honest and informative mission.

Sincerely,

Anya Selecki Anya selecki (talk) 14:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC) — Anya selecki (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete - This page provides some background.WP:ENTERTAINER indicates that significant roles in multiple works would establish notability. It's unclear how significant the #96 roles was, but as far as I can see, the others aren't significant.  As an author, I can find no indication that the books have even been published. -- Whpq (talk) 16:14, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Though she technically does not seem to meet the criteria of WP:ENTERTAINER, I suspect many other once popular/publicised television actors that have wikipedia articles don't really meet the strict criteria either (off the top of my head Beth Maitland, Lisa Whelchel). Salecki played a leading regular role in popular night time serial Number 96 (TV series) for almost a year and made some appearances in The Paul Hogan Show. Salecki was considered a sex symbol and received publicity in magazines like TV Week. Format (talk) 05:49, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - Considering the amount of trivial TV-related topics that have Wikipedia pages, I am stunned why this one in particular is flagged for deletion. Anya Saleky was a prominent performer in a prime-time TV series Number 96, which itself was a hugely successful and ground-breaking television production in Australia.  I don't see why this article should be deleted and other more trivial pages are left unscathed.  Andjb (talk) 05:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment – The existence of another article has no bearing on this AfD, each article must stand on it on merits. If those other articles do not meet Wikipedia criteria for inclusion you are more than welcome to nominate them for deletion; however, I would avoid doing this to make a point.  ttonyb  (talk) 06:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

There does not seem to be consensus for deletion here. RJ4 (talk) 15:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment – Funny, I see plenty of consensus.   ttonyb  (talk) 16:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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