Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anya bast


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 02:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Anya bast

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The article fails to establish notability per WP:CREATIVE. The article asserts without elaboration or proper independent references that the subject has won multiple awards, and that her fiction is nationally bestselling (whatever that means). However, the references in the article are the author's personal website and a writer's profile at publisher's marketplace. This google news search gives no relevant hits for the subject of the article, strongly suggesting that the subject of the article is not notable. siℓℓy rabbit (  talk  ) 14:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC) Please reconsider deletion. I have taken out objectionable phrases such as 'nationally bestselling' and references to awards. I have added two references outside Bast's web site and Publisher's Marketplace page. I wish to argue the subject is notable. Please see wiki entries for authors of the same caliber as Bast -- Barb Hendee, Megan Hart, Jeanne C. Stein, Jenna Black, Eileen Wilks, Richelle Mead. There are many and all have articles in Wikipedia. Also please note that New York Times bestselling author Yasmine Galenorn (also in Wikipedia) has around the same number of holdings in WorldCat. Iridillym —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC).
 * Delete Weak Delete None of them have more than 100 or so holdings in WorldCat, which is trivial for popular fiction; for fiction of this genre, I accept that it's harder to tell. But where are the reviews--that's what's needed to show notability. DGG (talk) 17:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think there is a mistake in the above post: The poster wishes to argue that the subject IS notable rather than NOT notable. Problem fixed by poster. I'd strike through this if I knew how... Peridon(talk) 19:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Keep She's not in the vanity publishing class. There's plenty on Google, including "Anya Bast is a multipublished erotic fantasy & paranormal romance author. Primarily, she writes happily-ever-afters with lots of steamy sex" (http://www.jasminejade.com/m-24-anya-bast.aspx) which confirms that I won't be buying the stuff but other people are. If porn stars have notability, why not this author who may not be guilty of committing literature but is at least selling books? Peridon (talk) 19:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Question. There are clear criteria for the notability of pornstars.  Are there such criteria for "romance" authors?   siℓℓy rabbit  (  talk  ) 21:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete lowercase surnames in article titles are prima facie evidence of non-notability Sceptre (talk) 20:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Someone has fixed this one. Peridon (talk) 13:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * and it any case its just an indication of careless typing. Do we delete all articles with a single typographical error? I agree it's often not a good sign, but as a reason by itself for deletion?? DGG (talk) 19:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Responses I'm confused, Silly rabbit. There are many articles in Wikipedia about authors of all genres, including romance. Should I list more examples than I have already? Nora Roberts, Sherrilyn Kenyon, Lisa Kleypas, P. C. Cast, Lori Foster, Jill Shalvis. I can provide many more. Sceptre, The lower case letter of the surname is obviously a typo. The template offers no way for me to correct it that I have found. I'm still looking for a way to fix it. Iridillym(talk) 10:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Some of the articles you cite clearly meet the standards of WP:CREATIVE, namely that an author should have received (for instance) multiple awards and that those awards should have been acknowledged in reliable sources independent of the subject. Some of the other articles you mention clearly meet these criteria, such as Nora Roberts, which have won multiple awards and are widely acknowledged as "important" in that particular genre.  Some others that you mention do not meet these criteria, and are as deserving as this one of deletion in my opinion.  The relevance of other stuff on Wikipedia to this AfD is not clear.   siℓℓy rabbit  (  talk  ) 23:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - To me this really looks like a self-published author on the same level of notability as the recently-deleted Guy Anthony De Marco. Deb (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Response Anya Bast is published with Penguin Group and Harlequin Inc, two of largest names in publishing. She is not self-published. Follow the links to find her author pages at both publishing houses. Iridillym(talk) 11:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I agree with your last comment, she is not self-published.   siℓℓy rabbit  (  talk  ) 23:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. Notable crap author. Franciscrot (talk) 02:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Evidence of notability is utterly missing.  citation needed.  siℓℓy rabbit  (  talk  ) 03:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Library holdings are somewhat misleading for erotic fiction, which is not traditionally held by most libraries.  At least one of her books, Witch Heart, is frequently described as "national bestselling" (which in publisherspeak generally means that it has appeared in a top 50 lists published by a national paper, usually USA Today) and currently has a sales rank on barnesandnoble.com of 786, and on amazon.com of 2650, which is hardly what I'd call insignificant.  There are hundreds of reviews available of her books in reliable sources, so many of them could clearly be considered notable.  17 of her books have been reviewed by Romantic Times.  Her self-produced promotional video for Witch Fire won several Cameo Awards (a publishing industry award for book promotions).  Seems notable to me. JulesH (talk) 09:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * can you give some references to the awards and to the reviews, and put them in the article? It would be better to have at least one or two reviews from established general publications. I'm not sure that notability for a book promotion is notability as a writer of a book. DGG (talk) 19:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. A search in abebooks showed 230 copies of her various works for sale. Amazon has 31 titles on offer. Somebody is reading this stuff, and that means she's notable. If the article needs improving, that can be done; give it time for that. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.