Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aparna Mishra


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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 00:44, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Aparna Mishra

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Not a notable actress who does not satisfy any criterion from WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. She has played small roles, mostly uncredited, in a number of television shows. A Google search of her does not reveal much. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 04:51, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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 * Do not delete


 * Not a notable actress.....A Google search of her does not reveal much

I agree with you on this point Sir that the television actress is not a big notable celebrity and which is the reason why google search does reveal much. However, I would like to point out that the very first substantive hit on search button of google with the subject Aparna Mishra actress takes you to her!


 * does not satisfy any criterion from WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG

I strongly disagree with this argument of yours. It would be false to claim that the actress does not fulfill any criterion from WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG! The actress started her career in 2015 and within a period of 5 years, she has worked in 8 different shows and one music album, which in itself is an achievement as an actor/actress, it's not a judgement from a commoner like me, but I'm sure any filmaker, director, producer who are part of the Indian television Industry would agree to the same.

Secondly,
 * She has played small roles, mostly uncredited, in a number of television shows.

This argument is INVALID, because out of the 8 shows the subject has worked in, 4 shows which are Yeh Hai Aashiqui Siyappa Ishq Ka, Kaala Teeka, Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya were one of the most popular Hindi soap-operas of the particular time period during which it was broadcast. Next, Savdhaan India is the one of the most longest running Indian television series. Finally, the show of which the subject is currently part of Kumkum Bhagya is one among the top 3 shows according to latest barc ratings i.e. barc rating week 46 2020. So, it should be noted that majority of the shows in which the subject has worked in are popular shows. It is next to impossible task for any actor/actress to get a role only in a popular/credited television series.

Next, it should be noted that she has NOT ONLY PLAYED SUPPORTING AND RECURRING ROLES. In the popular series, Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya, she was the episodic lead Sahiba opposite Shagun Pandey and again another episodic lead Palak in Pyar Pehli Baar, which was not that popular but still it was the spin-off of the popular series Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya. It should also be noted that in one of the most popular longest-running Indian series, Savdhaan India, she played the titular role. A Titular role is considered as important as the lead role in television soap-operas.

Finally, though playing a supporting role in Kumkum Bhagya, the subject, actress Aparna Mishra is often found in discussion in the articles of Tellychakkar, Pinkvilla, Bollywoodtimes. These sources are considered unreliable by Wikipedia, but a large number of articles about Indian televison series, actors and actresses use them as their main references. Nevertheless, there are also discussions about the subject in certain articles of Kumkum Bhagya in Times of India. Even earlier in 2016, she was found in discussions in several unreliable resources of Wikipedia when she got the lead role of Sahiba in Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya and was a part of Kaala Teeka.

Thus, all these arguments mostly nullify the arguments put down by Umakant Bhalerao to delete the article on the subject Aparna Mishra.

However, I leave the decision to experienced editors and admins of Wikipedia and will have no issues if the final decision is to delete the article Aparna Mishra

--Aleyamma38 (talk) 10:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Um, if "Savdhaan India" means "Attention India", how could Mishra play the "Titular role"? A titular role would be Prabhas as Baahubali in Baahubali: The Beginning. You see, he played a character whose name was in the title. Titular = tit(le)+ular. Did Mishra play a character named Attention India? No, probably not. You also seem to be misunderstand Umakant's comment. "She has played small roles, mostly uncredited, in a number of television shows." For some reason you incorrectly think this means that the show was minor, when what they are saying is that the roles were minor. When you declare someone's argument as invalid, you should probably understand what their argument is saying. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:34, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * if "Savdhaan India" means "Attention India", how could Mishra play the "Titular role"?... Did Mishra play a character named Attention India? No, probably not.


 * Even if I do not try to hide my boldface. You are unable to hide your pride with your mocking tone. But it's good to have pride as a wikipedian admin.
 * So as a part of my explanation, Savadhaan India is one of the longest running Indian television series consisting of episodics. I guess being an admin, you would probably know what an episodic means?
 * So in this series of episodics, Savdhaan India, in Season 4 Episode 19, titled Who Killed Munni?, Mishra played the role of Munni. Now, can you see what I meant by saying Mishra has played a titular role?


 * --Aleyamma38 (talk) 18:55, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * For some reason you incorrectly think this means that the show was minor, when what they are saying is that the roles were minor. When you declare someone's argument as invalid, you should probably understand what their argument is saying


 * Of course Sir, I very well understood what their argument, but for sure you are misinterpreting my argument. I may not be an experienced editor, but I'm neither a fool too. Only for countering the argument that her roles are minor, I have given the point of Mishra playing two lead roles and one titular role.


 * Next I have also pointed out the notability of her shows to point out to the notability of her work. So please, it would be appreciated if my arguments are not misinterpreted here.-Thank you
 * --Aleyamma38 (talk) 19:00, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Absolutely no issues with the admins' decision
 * I honestly have no issues if the final decision is to delete this wikipedia article. Please delete it if the experienced editors and admins of wikipedia feel it should be deleted.
 * So, there will no more arguments from my side in defense for not deleting the article Aparna Mishra.
 * -Thank you
 * --Aleyamma38 (talk) 19:05, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please properly indent your replies so that it is clear what comments you are responding to. I have fixed this for you.
 * ...the very first substantive hit on search button of google with the subject Aparna Mishra actress takes you to her! This doesn't mean anything to the community. Google hits do not suggest notability. Per our General Notability Guideline, a subject is potentially notable when they receive significant coverage (in-depth writing) in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, or if the subject meets the qualifications of WP:NACTOR.
 * ...Mishra is often found in discussion in the articles of Tellychakkar, Pinkvilla, Bollywoodtimes. These sources are considered unreliable by Wikipedia, but a large number of articles about Indian televison series, actors and actresses use them as their main references. As you were previously told in the deletion discussion about Zeeshan Khan, the fact that other editors have relied on poor sources in other articles doesn't mean that you get to rely on those poor sources in defense of this article's existence.
 * ...there are also discussions about the subject in certain articles of Kumkum Bhagya in Times of India. You provided no evidence of this, but it is also doubtful that she received anything other than a passing mention. I can only find fluff like this and this. Passing mentions.
 * ...within a period of 5 years, she has worked in 8 different shows and one music album, Everybody has to work. That doesn't make them deserving of an encyclopedia article.
 * Next I have also pointed out the notability of her shows to point out to the notability of her work. The popularity of a television series doesn't by default make the subject more notable, so it's unclear what relevance this has here. Someone playing a background character on the most popular series in the world doesn't mean they should have an encyclopedia article.
 * ...I have given the point of Mishra playing two lead roles and one titular role. You have not demonstrated that she was the lead role in multiple series, you demonstrated that she was a guest star in single episodes of a non-serialised show. And your interpretation of what a titular role is, is based on a selective interpretation inconsistent with what most people would consider a titular role to be. Someone playing a character in one episode of a television series, where the character's name appears in the title of the episode, does not qualify as a "titular role". That just makes them a guest star. Someone appearing as a guest star in one episode does not mean that they had a major role in that series. And no, a guest star in an episodic show is not equivalent to someone being the lead in a soap opera or other serial. If you want clarification on what constitutes a lead role or a titular role as it pertains to demonstrating notability, feel free to ask at WikiProject Television.
 * Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Please properly indent your replies so that it is clear what comments you are responding to. I have fixed this for you.

First of all my extreme apologies for that and thanks a lot Sir for helping me out with it.


 * You have not demonstrated that she was the lead role in multiple series, you demonstrated that she was a guest star in single episodes of a non-serialised show

Sir, for making your part clear, you are rather twisting and turning my arguments. I had put my arguments for that earlier but you had turned blind to for whatever reason, but now I'm putting them once again in BOLD below; '''Next, it should be noted that she has NOT ONLY PLAYED SUPPORTING AND RECURRING ROLES. In the popular series, Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya, she was the episodic lead Sahiba opposite Shagun Pandey and again another episodic lead Palak in Pyar Pehli Baar, which was not that popular but still it was the spin-off of the popular series Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya.''' The evidence for these are already given by me in the references of the article of the subject which are and


 * Someone appearing as a guest star in one episode does not mean that they had a major role in that series. And no, a guest star in an episodic show is not equivalent to someone being the lead in a soap opera or other serial. If you want clarification on what constitutes a lead role or a titular role as it pertains to demonstrating notability, feel free to ask at WikiProject Television.

Sir, I need not ask at WikiProject Television, but you need to CHECK IT OUT BETTER about the series and her role. Of course, the subject had a major role in the series. The way YOU ARE MISINTERPRETING, my argument makes it doubtful that you want to delete this article at any cost! If you have doubts then please check with the series producers, who gives roles for every episodics. And even after that you have doubts, then if you know Hindi, please do watch that particular episode i.e. Savdhaan India Season 4 Episode 19, don't worry of finding it because I have given the reference for it in her article Aparna Mishra. If you do not understand Hindi, then the website Hotstar does provide the option of subtitles. And, leave about Wikipedian editors like you and me, any normal television viewer, would agree that Mishra was not a guest star in the series.


 * Everybody has to work. That doesn't make them deserving of an encyclopedia article.

My apologies that I'm mentioning this once again, but since you have raised it. In that way, why do the UNREFERENCED AND UNEDITED ARTICLES deserve AN ENCYCLOPEDIA?


 * As you were previously told in the deletion discussion about Zeeshan Khan, the fact that other editors have relied on poor sources in other articles doesn't mean that you get to rely on those poor sources in defense of this article's existence.

Of course, I will not from now on wards, because I understood that It's worthless! for me, but worthy, for certain others.


 * You provided no evidence of this, but it is also doubtful that she received anything other than a passing mention. I can only find fluff like this and this. Passing mentions.

My extreme apologies that I forgot to provide the evidence at that time, but yes these were the articles that I was talking about. As you have pointed out Sir, you are right that she just received passing mentions. But, even more than that, it should be noted that the show Kumkum Bhagya gives her role for maybe once or twice a week and her role is something completely unimportant in the series. But even after that, if the subject has gained atleast passing mentions, is indeed a big deal as a television actress. This is not just my judgement, but yes a judgment of any commoner from Indian television industry.


 * This doesn't mean anything to the community. Google hits do not suggest notability. Per our General Notability Guideline, a subject is potentially notable when they receive significant coverage (in-depth writing) in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, or if the subject meets the qualifications of WP:NACTOR.

I agree with you, regarding the notability Sir, but please note carefully that I had not mentioned it for showing notability of Mishra but I had given it as a counter argument for Umakant Bhalerao's argument: A Google search of her does not reveal much

Most important of all, I did say this several times earlier and even now I am saying that I have no issues with the deletion of this article Aparna Mishra, if that is going to be final decision of the experienced editors and admins of Wikipedia.

--Aleyamma38 (talk) 06:58, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. A few episodic roles and one recurring role in a current series, even if popular, is not enough to fulfill NACTOR. Sunshine1191 (talk) 03:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)


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