Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Apex, Arizona


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 17:02, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Apex, Arizona

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Fails GNG due to lack of significant coverage. No evidence that this is or was a populated place; satellite view shows a railroad junction. –dlthewave ☎ 21:28, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. –dlthewave ☎ 21:28, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Even if it weren't actually a locale, there's nothing establishing notability.Reywas92Talk 21:37, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Reywas92Talk 21:24, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Wikipedia functions as a gazetteer, and this is or was an actual known place. I understand a need to go through these stubs, but this is getting ridiculous (and disruptive.)  SportingFlyer  T · C  23:49, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, we've got "The U.S. Forest Service deeded Arizona 815 acres of land alongside the Williams-Grand Canyon highway, between Tusayan and Apex, and two years ago Vercellino gave the go-ahead for construction" and "In 1928, he moved to Apex, on the Grand Canyon line of the Santa Fe Railroad, where he continued to log in the Tusayan-Skinner Ridge area until 1936". –dlthewave ☎ 03:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You're setting a much higher standard for these than is needed. But it doesn't matter - it was a company town and passes WP:GEOLAND, which is exactly why this bulk deletion concerns me. SportingFlyer  T · C  03:51, 13 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Apex, or more commonly "Apex siding" was a stop along the Grand Canyon Railway. Does not meet GNG as required under GEOLAND#2 for places that aren't legally recognized communities. I think this was the site of a water tank from the steam engine days. I would like to merge into the Grand Canyon Railway article, but there isn't much in this article and the railway doesn't have much to say about this period in it's history and it doesn't talk about these stops (there were others). MB 02:50, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator rationale. This does not meet our sng or gng. Lightburst (talk) 04:49, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep While neither of them appear to be accessible online, both the Journal of Arizona History link cited by SportingFlyer and this journal establish that the community is in fact a former logging company town, not just a railroad station. The accessibility of sources in this case actually demonstrates why confirmed populated places have practically always been judged to be notable in the past, regardless of how many sources can be dug up for an AfD - sources describing them are often not easily accessible online, but almost certainly exist for any place with a long-term permanent population. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 06:19, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep A settlement with a railroad station.Pontificalibus 21:31, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:GEOLAND, as above, especially this - "Apex: A Vanished Arizona Logging Community". Coolabahapple (talk) 04:04, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. It seems to have been a real town, and is a ghost town as of 2019. See this ghost towns listing, the Grand Canyon RR goes through it, and remains of a camp. There are lots of false hits for a ... ahem ... adult group that can be disregarded, but overall it seems to have been notable, and once notable, always thus. Bearian (talk) 17:52, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep There are probably more sources for this that are not easily accessible online Dartslilly (talk) 12:45, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep Are we still on this???? Meets WP:GEOLAND.Celestina007 (talk) 20:06, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Most places would have a history. Unless something of significance happened on it or there is something unique on it, listing a place with a short description of the history does not make it notable. PenulisHantu (talk) 05:28, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That completely goes against our long-established guidelines at WP:GEOLAND, which states all legally recognised populated places are suitable for the encyclopedia. SportingFlyer  T · C  11:22, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe there is a difference between suitable and notable. My concern here is turning Wiki into a directory. Where should we draw the line? PenulisHantu (talk) 14:44, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


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