Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Apollo hoax in popular culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. No actual reason for deletion was provided until Otto4711 joined the discussion, so consensus for deletion could not eventuate. Still, the discussion shows that any problem the article might have with being an indiscriminate collection of information (as opposed to a legitimate WP:SS spinout) could be solved by editing it down to a reduced size and merging it back to the main article, always assuming editorial consensus exists for this.  Sandstein  05:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Apollo hoax in popular culture

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Right, so this is: a series of miscellaneous popular culture references to a conspiracy theory. Hey Nonny (talk) 22:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - Nominator has failed to present any reason for deletion. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 22:55, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Right now I'm thinking "Keep," but I'm wondering, what's the basis for the nomination? TJRC (talk) 23:11, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This article should be kept (the print and film references are of particular value) but it should be heavily trimmed. References involving actual interactions with NASA personnel, perhaps, but a why refer to a commercial for a drink, or single statement in an episode of a soap opera? --TS 23:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge. Content fork. That's the explanation I'd have given if I'd listed this. I agree it was not listed properly. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Not a content fork. This is a Article spinout from original article that was becoming too long.  Could do with being better cited, and could lose a lot of trivia, but that's not a reason for deletion. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 00:48, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If kept I suggest renaming to Apollo hoax theories in popular culture. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge back to the main article. 76.66.196.139 (talk) 05:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep No rationale for deletion presented by nom. --Cyber cobra (talk) 05:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Article could do with some citations but otherwise is a good article. Far too big to stay in the main article, which is already extremely long. I also agree with the rename so I'll post it on the talk page. Metty 17:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per MetricSuperstar. Perfectly fine as a pop-culture article: a well known fringe theory that pops up is all sorts of pop-cultural references. Bearian (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep; the claim that the landings were faked is unquestionably notable; splitting the popular culture references from the lengthy main article for convenience is a reasonable solution to the length issue. TJRC (talk) 17:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Do not merge - I don't see much need for this article, but I am totally against merging it to the main article on the Moon landing hoax. Bubba73 (talk), 04:59, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Trivia sections in articles are discouraged. This is one big trivia section.  Also, there are practically no secondary sources (i.e. third-party coverage) to establish the notability of this material.  Bubba73 (talk), 06:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep with modified title: The material is clearly notable for two reasons: (1) NASA defenders point to such cultural references as the original and a continuing source of popular doubt about Apollo's veracity. (2) NASA skeptics point to these same cultural references as Hollywood's standard method of presenting controversial truth veiled as fiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeSkepticalOfAll (talk • contribs)
 * Delete, no merge - WP is not an indiscriminate collection of information nor is it a directory of every time "moon landing hoax" is mentioned in any book, movie or TV episode. The moon landing hoax theory is undoubtedly notable. A list of every time it's referenced, mentioned off-handedly or the subject of a throwaway joke is not. There's encyclopedic value in such random entries as "In an episode of The Whitest Kids U'Know, Trevor Moore tells a group of young schoolchildren that the Moon landings were faked." and "There is a song by metal band Margret Heater called "Apollo Conspiracy"." and "In the outtakes/end credits for the film Daddy Day Care, the cameraman is struggling to focus the camera. Eddie Murphy then says, "This is why I know we didn't land on the moon.""? Really? Nonsense. This is meaningless trash. Otto4711 (talk) 02:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete; merge whatever bits of info may be worth merging back to the "hoax" article. Unless someone can really find reliable sources describing specifically the popular culture impact of the conspiracy theory of the concept that there was a hoax of the moon landing, there's no way to support an independent fork like this.--Cúchullain t/ c 14:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.