Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/April 2018 United Kingdom heat wave


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The result was delete. Excepting User:Agathoclea, the keep arguments are very light on policy.  A  Train talk 21:00, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

April 2018 United Kingdom heat wave

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This isn't the weather channel. A single day of record-breaking heat (at less than 30C) isn't notable. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 04:51, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete this why oh why attempt at a belt notch. Creator could not even wait for April 2018 to be over before hoisting it up. -The Gnome (talk) 07:37, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: The Met Office summary notes only "a brief but very marked hot spell from the 18th to the 21st which produced the highest temperatures in April since 1949." (Less scientifically, I was never out without a jacket, often zipped up, though perhaps the experience was different in the London area.) Nothing worthy of an article or even a partial merge into Climate_of_the_United_Kingdom. AllyD (talk) 09:11, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I live in the Midlands and I was walking about without a jacket for those few days (have done today as well as a matter of fact), so it did extend beyond London and the South East. This is Paul (talk) 15:06, 5 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep: It was a historic 'very marked' hot spell. I think that anything to do with record breaking (or near record breaking) heat or cold is noteworthy because, it is historical. This story was published in many articles and shown on national television. The fact that you never stopped wearing a jacket is not my fault. I am in the North of England and it was hot here too. It isn't my fault that you didn't experience heat. 14:33, 5 May 2018 (BST)
 * Whose input is the above? -The Gnome (talk) 21:27, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * new editor, and article creator, (checked this afd history, they misentered the time of the edit as 14:33, it was 13:32), doesn't know about signing with tildes. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:12, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Record-breaking on its own does not confer notability. We need saw-rssa'z. Personal experience is well and good but Wikipedia's stone cold heartlessly indifferent about personal testimony. The meteorological service is quite clear, as competent authorities go: A small statistical blip. May you all walk about in full health, jacket or no jacket. -The Gnome (talk) 16:06, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, here's some to be going on with. They talk about the hottest April day since 1949, and the impact on this year's London Marathon:
 * UK temperatures top 29C in hottest April day since 1949, BBC News, 19 April 2018
 * Hottest April day in almost 70 years sparks marathon warning, The Guardian, 19 April 2018
 * UK basks in hottest April day for 70 years, Sky News, 19 April 2018
 * UK weather: Britain set to sizzle again after hottest April day for 70 years, The Telegraph, 20 April 2018
 * UK weather latest: Hottest April day in 70 years expected as warm air from Azores set to push temperatures to 28C, The Independent, 19 April 2018
 * UK weather: Sunday last chance to enjoy heatwave before temperatures plunge and April showers return, The Telegraph, 22 April 2018
 * Runners face hottest London Marathon despite overnight storms, Sky News, 21 April 2018
 * Hope this helps. This is Paul (talk) 16:47, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That's more like it. See what a little needling can do? Carry on. -The Gnome (talk) 17:25, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed. I see this is quite badly sourced, including a source from the Met Office Twitter account. I'll have a go at adding some of the references tomorrow. As I've mentioned in my post below this one, if we keep this it may have to move. I suggest something like Spring 2018 United Kingdom heat wave. Since there may be more than one to deal with there may be a better title than that. This is Paul (talk) 20:50, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The Met Office is now reporting more record temperatures, with the hottest May Bank Holiday since the day was made a public holiday in 1978:
 * Early May Bank Holiday Monday heat record broken, BBC News, 7 May 2018
 * I'm slightly reluctant to begin work on this while the AFD discussion is open because I don't want to put a load of effort into it only to find it gets deleted next weekend. Instead I'm going to take a copy of what's there and put it in my userspace, because I believe the information here will ultimately need to be part of a wider article anyway. This is Paul (talk) 12:11, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * So now it's an April/May heatwave. With a little patience we can add June, too, in our Weatherpedia. -The Gnome (talk)
 * Spring is here...I hear. This is Paul (talk) 22:31, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: Event broke some records so is notable in that sense. At the time of writing more records are expected to be broken over the May Bank Holiday weekend, so perhaps this needs renaming and expanding to include that information if it happens. This is Paul (talk) 15:04, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The UK press is obsessed with the weather, and whenever anything a little unusual happens they manage to find some record that has been broken. I enjoyed those few days of good weather, as I am enjoying this weekend, but between times I had to turn the heating back on and, here in south-east England, we almost got a frost at night. This is all part of the wonderfully variable English weather, but nothing that belongs in an encyclopedia. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 *  Keep or redirect - Keep, or redirect to List of heat waves. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:14, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:40, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete A couple of hotter-than-normal days in the UK is a pretty standard affair. If it was more prolonged, then I'd lean towards keep.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:07, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Routine coverage existed for the brief duration of this heat wave. No surprise there. What would actually make this appropriate for an encyclopedia is indepth analysis and prolonged interest, but that can only be assessed in the future; hence, it is also too soon. I am certain a list could retain the essential details in the mean time.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 17:13, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Routine coverage. It wasn't even a real heat wave, at least not by US standards. Here in the States we need 3 days of 90 degree+ temps, and even then it generally isnt notable. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 20:56, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This is wikipedia, not USpedia. US standards are irrelevant here. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey, do you have a link for USpedia? -The Gnome (talk) 12:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 *  Reply - If this title is standard for heat waves, is there a good reason why we can not redirect it with history? --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:53, 15 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Washington Post: [London has warmest April day in nearly 70 years, as enormous heat dome consumes Europe].E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:39, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * We better hurry up with this AfD, then, before the gods get even angrier. -The Gnome (talk) 09:12, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete No significant, "sustained coverage" to meet WP:SIGCOV. The news covering simply because it is a record breaking day is both routine and WP:109PAPERS. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 01:19, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Exemplo347 (talk) 06:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as per all the above comments. Even in the UK a period of warm weather lasting five days isn't notable enough to be in an encyclopaedia. Neiltonks (talk) 12:47, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not news, and this is what all the cold spell and heat wave articles add up to.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:30, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment The "highest April temperatures since 1949" are hardly worth noting. Is the United Kingdom temperature so uniform that we are really to believe that the same records apply in northern Scotland as in London? I find that hard to believe.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:33, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: The argument "routine coverage" does not cut it, as this is not a systensis out of regularly published temperature data but coverage of reporting on an outstanding event. The argument "in the US this does not count as a heatwave" does not count. -5C in the Antartic might count as a heatwave. We count notability by RS-coverage and not by arbitrary values (Any SNG rules that we do have use arbitrary values as a presumption that such coverage exits). The British obsesion with the weather is also no anti-argument, only an explanation of why certain things get covered in the media that would not get covered elsewhere. But interestingly that obsession travels well as elsewhere we see coverage of the British weather when the same type of weather "at home" would not be covered. All in all - Notability != importance, only coverage. Agathoclea (talk) 09:23, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify your conclusion? Do you mean that notability "does not equal" (or "signify") importance? And what does "only coverage" mean? Do you mean that just having sources/coverage guarantees inclusion? If so, it doesn't.
 * Let's all recall that notability alone does not a subject worthy of a Wikipedia article make. To quote from the relevant rule, If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. "Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article—perhaps because it violates what Wikipedia is not, particularly the rule that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. (Emphasis in the original.)
 * Particularly the rule that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, we are told. From what we know so far, the contested subject is but information indiscriminately wiggled inside Wikipedia. -The Gnome (talk) 15:44, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * More relevant is also WP:NOTNEWS. Even if something gets a lot coverage in news sources, that coverage might not be sufficient to make an encyclopedic article, and WP doesn't have an article about everything that gets reported in the news, for example not every single one of Trump's tweets is reported on WP, even if they all get extensive mentions in news sources. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 15:51, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


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