Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aqeel Najam Hashmi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The keep arguments reflect a case of hope over actual sourcing. This remains a BLP and the consensus is the current sourcing is inadequate. Delete is the only policy based outcome here. If sources emerge this can quickly return. Also no objections to someone putting in a redirect to his city. Spartaz Humbug! 05:52, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Aqeel Najam Hashmi

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I don't think Mayor of Pakistani cities are something that would be expected to have an article on English Wikipedia, unless they meet GNG, at minimum. A quick G'Search produce only namecheck type of press coverage and not any substantial information in the independent RS about the person which means the subject fails to meet GNG.. Saqib (talk) 22:19, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Likely keep Three quick points - first, any search should also be completed in Urdu to see what sources are available. Second, Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia and the standards for judging notability WP:NPOL do not vary across states, so if a mayor would be notable in Canada, a similarly situated individual would also be notable in Pakistan. Third, the city of Bahawalpur has a population of nearly 800,000 and the standard for judging a mayor in a city of regional prominence is an acknowledgment of some coverage, which does appear to exist. --Enos733 (talk) 18:07, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I can't read Urdu in order to determine whether adequate sourcing exists to get him over WP:NPOL #2 or not (where the condition is the sourcing, and not the role in and of itself.) But to comment on the nominator's reasoning, our notability standards are not affected by the subject's own primary language or the language of the sourcing — if he has enough Urdu-language sourcing to clear NPOL and GNG, then he clears NPOL and GNG, and Wikipedia does not deprecate politicians as less notable just because they serve in countries where the primary language is not English. For one thing, even if English isn't Pakistan's primary language there are still English speakers living in Pakistan — and for another, people living outside of Pakistan might very well need to access information about Pakistani politicians too. Language is not relevant to our notability criteria — if notability and sourceability had to have a specifically anglophone angle to it, we wouldn't be able to keep articles about most topics in Central and South America, Africa, Asia, continental Europe or the Canadian province of Quebec. And then we wouldn't be fulfilling our mandate. So notability is not contingent on whether the topic operates inside the anglosphere or not — if it can be properly sourced as existing in the world, then it's established and we don't care about the language aspects. Bearcat (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment My concern with this is a similar concern I have to the tons of local mayors we have in the United States, where I can't find anything that would help flesh out an article about him. I agree with Saqib that most of the coverage is just name-checks. However, compared to a lot of politicians from elsewhere that are dealt with at AfD, there's a lot of name-check coverage, in English. While we lack any sort of story about him specifically I would expect to find more information in non-English sources. Furthermore we'd typically keep someone with this sort of coverage for a city with this population, even though population's not technically a requirement for mayors. SportingFlyer  talk  06:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete : Reference is not reliable and the person is not notable Heshiv (talk) 13:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - as long as information/reliable sources can be found in other languages (specifically Urdu). The city is a fairly large one in Pakistan and as Bearcat said, there is no less prominence because it is a city in a non-English speaking country. The lack of information in English means someone who can understand Urdu would need to look for information before we can determine that there is none, and my guess is that there would be, given the size of the city. Tillerh11 (talk) 13:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Clearly does not pass inclusion criteria. For mayors we have to have multiple sources showing something more than routine coverage which is lacking here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep This article should be kept. Almost all cities this size have mayors with Wikipedia pages. In fact, mayors of cities half the size of this one have Wikipedia pages. Why should this be any different? Unless nothing can be found about him, there is no reason for his Wikipedia page to be deleted. Bedfordres (Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:19, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete because WP:BLP article must be verifiable to readers through sources that are actually cited in the article, not just by other sources (ex. Google search, Yahoo! etc.) Siddiqsazzad001       14:00, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.