Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ara Dinkjian


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep, consensus is that the article does meet the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 21:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Ara Dinkjian

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Unnotable musician that fails WP:BIO. Failed PROD with PROD removed by article creator with no reason given. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment There are links such as imdb.com and an official website,which prove the authenticity of the bio.Also sites which have information on the albums of the artist.


 * The article will be expanded,this is being rushed to deletion by the user Collectonian.


 * The article uses other artists names which the artist is linked to,thus showing the links between the facts about the article.The artists album pages on Wikipedia credit him as the composer,there is also an article about his band and those are not up for AFD.


 * I removed PROD,because it said remove when the article is expanded,i did not see that an explanation is needed to remove the PROD —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hayaser (talk • contribs) 14:15, July 17, 2008


 * No one said the bio wasn't "authentic" but that doesn't make the artist notable on his own. The band article I haven't looked at, but often times a band may be notable as a whole where the artist individually is not. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The artist has many compositions which i have mentioned in his article that are notable,which makes the whole entry notable.


 * The song "Dinata" which was played at the closing ceremonies of the 2004 summer Olympics is his composition.He has worked with artists such as Arto Tunçboyacıyan and elefteri.He has been to tons of music festivals,which you can find videos of on YouTube and reviews on the web


 * Comment Heres a few links of him, A bio from a music festival site He is listed in the top oud players of Armenian descent on answers.com Ara Dinkjian's page on Amazon Click read more once you're on the page, here is a quote from Amazon "Dinkjian is ranked among the premiere oud players in the world." hows that for notable Here is his bio on last.fm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hayaser (talk • contribs) 21:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * he is mentioned in the bio of Arto Tunçboyacıyan Here his bio is on a music record website Here is an article about him on a jazz site Heres a quote from the article


 * "The concluding concert, “An Armenian in America,” featured American-Armenian oud and cumbus player Ara Dinkijian, who led the Night Ark band with master percussionist Arto Tunçboyaciyan, who is of Armenian-descent. Night Ark is still very popular in Israel, to the extent that some of Dinkijian's compostions have been arranged as local TV series theme and pop songs. Dinkijian's songs indeed have very simple and catchy motifs, but during his Night Ark period he used very skilled players such as Tunçboyaciyan, pianist Armen Donelian, and bass player Marc Johnson, who added the necessary volume and depth to Dinkijian's themes through their joyous improvisation. " —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hayaser (talk • contribs) 20:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * And how many of those are actually reliable sources that can speak to notability? (hint, neither IMDB nor Amazon establish any notability at all). Directory listings are just that, and again do not confer any notability on its listing subjects, nor do his company bio's and other stuff from those who are in the business of promoting him. See WP:BIO.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Definition of Notability:
 * 1. The state or quality of being eminent or worthy of notice.
 * 2. A prominent or notable person.


 * How is it that what Amazon says about the artist not a "worthy of notice" to you, Amazon a trusted and reliable source,gives the artist a very high status."ranked among the premiere oud players in the world" is that something you can disregard,then i suppose any text which i may find can have the same response from you.Almost every site mentions the same thing about him,it's all consistent.


 * How about being specific about the kind of "source" you are looking for?


 * I am comparing Arto Tunçboyaciyans article and i see all kinds of similarities.I suppose that article could be debated as well?


 * I search Arto Tunçboyaciyan name and i find the same sites which talk about Ara,i am comparing the two because they are both in the same band and have made albums together,which the creator of the band Arto plays in is Ara.


 * I also would like opinions from other users before a final decision is made on the deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hayaser (talk • contribs) 22:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not use your definition of notability, but your own. Again, see WP:BIO which is the notability guideline for people. See WP:RS for what qualifies as a reliable source (as well as, again WP:BIO, which also discusses specific types of sources for showing notability or people). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect to the band Night Ark, article fails to establish individual notability as per WP:MUSIC.

 Esradekan Gibb   "Talk" 01:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Wikipedia uses the words worthy of notice,i still don't see how you can not use the links i offered as a reliable source,you are being very short with explanations.You are making it seem as if you are targeting this article to improve your editing rank,i will make sure to complain about your method if this is the case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hayaser (talk • contribs) 20:58, July 17, 2008
 * Delete Article lacks significant independent reliable sources. Claim to fame regarding Olympics is not backed up by article on song in question. Subject appears to not be notable. I remind all contributors to the discussion to sign their comments. RayAYang (talk) 02:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

IMDB does not mention a musicians albums and everything he has done,only movies.That was just an extra link to show the authenticity of the article not notability.You have ignored my above post which proves notability,about the hit song and about the band,which the user RayAYang asked for an Article and i provided it Hayaser(talk)
 * Comment The artists band is notable and he is the creator of the band,all the bios on the web have a quote like so "Ara Dinkjian is best known as the founder of the highly influential and groundbreaking instrumental group, NIGHT ARK" thus makes him notable for the creation of the band.Also for the Olympic song which is Dynata,you can see his name being credited on the wikipedia page of the song as the composer Dynata Dynata,You can also see Ara Dinkjian being credited on the Greek singers official website(Eleftheria Arvanitaki) for the olympic song Dynata Click here for the site Here is the video of the performance at the olympics Video of Dinata Dinata at 2004 Olympics And here is an article talking about the song being played at the Olympics while it credits the songs composition to Ara Dinkjian Click for article,search 2004 olympics in the pdf article for the specific line. Hayaser(talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 02:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RS and WP:N. IMDB link mentions that he was a musician in only 1 single film. Hardly notable. Artene50 (talk) 09:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - Two articles in the Jerusalem post about the Jerusalem International Oud Festival in different years, call him out for attention.  The Boston Globe has an article behind a pay wall.  There are lots of other news search results for him indicating that notice of him has been made by maintream press attesting to his notability. -- Whpq (talk) 18:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - Thank you Whpq,someone who finally realizes what Ive been pointing out all this time.I even added this article,it also talks about a festival and credits the artist for the Olympic song Click for article heres another article talking about the connection with the singer at the olympics Ara Dinkjian Is One of Featured Musicians in Eleftheria Arvanitaki's New CD and another article where he is mentioned in the Los angeles Times Jazz Review; Sophisticated Sounds With Romanian Twist


 * When you search in newspaperarchives.com you find this There are 7 results on that site but it's with pay To see more news archives visit here Hayaser(talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: The article needs more references. Plus why does this musician have such a large article when the band has such a small article? More people would view the bands article since the band played the song and the musician is just a member of the band. – Jerry  teps  06:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Krakatoa  Katie  05:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. While the article lacks a few really good sources, he's obviously (to me) sufficiently notable to have an article here.--Michig (talk) 08:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - if article's claims are indeed true, then this artist is definitely notable, being the founder of a notable band, having media references, and writing songs for several notable artists. The article is badly written and sourced, but this is not a reason to delete. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 09:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Not your usual self promoting DJ article born 1992 that we regularly see speedied. I believe there is enough evidence and source to suggest he is a notable musician even if he isn't world reknowned  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 09:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: Answer to Jerry,the artist has done other things outside the band,solo.Creating and being part of the band is one part of his musical career.He composes songs for many musicians thus he collaborates in many different albums and attends shows under his name,and he releases albums under the bands name.


 * Comment I've been giving links from the beginning pointing out the artists notability,there are many articles about the artist in mainstream press,there are articles which talk about the artists career and his collaboration with well known musicians.He is a world-renowned Oudist and is considered one of the best Oud players10th paragraph another reference to being world renowned 5th paragraph,and one more on an event page4th paragraph Hayaser (talk) 04:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please, only one !vote per editor. Subsequent discussion can be prefixed with "Comment". -- Whpq (talk) 10:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, I don't think he's actually !voted yet..........   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 01:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure i have,it's above the line, Whpq and i were the only ones to vote to keep the article before it got re listed for deletion.Hayaser (talk) 02:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


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