Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arab–Iranian conflict


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Or at any rate do not delete; a potential merger can still be discussed on the article talk page.  Sandstein  09:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Arab–Iranian conflict

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The article lists 1979 Khuzestan uprising, Iran-Iraq War and Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict as part of single conflict that started in 1979 (which also surprisingly links to a 7th century as background), while these conflicts are not connected to each-other. In other words, it is simply material combined from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. It is subject to 6th criteria for deletion and I suggest a redirect to Arab League–Iran relations. Pahlevun (talk) 23:45, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  Kpg  jhp  jm  23:55, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  Kpg  jhp  jm  23:55, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Saudi Arabia-related deletion discussions.  Kpg  jhp  jm  23:55, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. This is a legitimate subject covered in multiple books, as one can easily check by search, including even books on the origin of the conflict . What needs to be included to the page should be defined by the sources. My very best wishes (talk) 18:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 13:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 14:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge. I appreciate the GBooks link from MVBW, but these sources appear to be variously using the term to refer to an Arab-Iranian conflict that various actors do or do not wish to develop, to conflicts that pre-date (and therefore cannot predict) all or most of the conflicts listed here, or in other ways to specific conflicts rather than to an overarching war a la Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I am inclined to say that this is a generic term. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 15:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh no, this is very specific, well known and significant conflict, according to the books. For example, a summary to one of them (link in my comment above) tells:

My very best wishes (talk) 16:13, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry, I was going to address the Mueller source and I forgot. I agree that this source unquestionably identifies these various conflicts as part of a larger one, but this, while coming from a reliable source, does appear to be one person's analysis of the conflict. I think this could be handled by noting in the Arab League-Iran relations article that "Chelsi Mueller analyzes these things as part of a broader Arab-Iranian conflict..." Unless - are there other sources that likewise talk about these things as manifestations of a single conflict, even if they don't use the term "Arab-Iranian conflict"? –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 16:22, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * How come? Dozens books in the search do use term "Arab-Iranian conflict", and many of them tell this specific conflict is important:, , . Yes, as one of them say, the Palestinian National Authority considers this conflict non-existent for political reasons   , but this is just an additional reason that makes this conflict notable and justifies having this page. My very best wishes (talk) 17:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * These are some of the sources I was referring to when I noted earlier that the term is used generically. The first of these sources identifies conflicts in the 300s CE as part of an Arab-Iranian conflict, the second source is a government document from 1973 that obviously can't be speaking of the late 1970s, 1980s, and beyond events that the article discusses, and the third refers to a specific manifestation that it even notes arose in the 2000s. I think you would need much better sourcing to claim that these things represent a single conflict rather than a bunch of authors using the same phrase for different things. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 19:06, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A disagreement of sources what exactly constitutes the topic (time frame of the conflict, exact list of countries involved, etc.) does not invalidate any subject. Consider definition of terrorism. My very best wishes (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's begging the question - there has to be a subject to begin with. I also don't think you're making a very strong case that this is a different subject from the general topic of Arab League-Iran relations, if you do indeed accept that no one has the same definition or scope of this "conflict". –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 19:29, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, if you do not like books, there are many other scholarly sources on this subject. For example, that one tells: The eight-year war between Iran and Iraq (1980–1988) brought to light the Arab–Iranian conflict, and the fall of Saddam Hussein in April 2003 thrust it onto centre stage of the region’s dynamics.. The concept (see also Modern usage of al-Qādisiyyah) was widely used for propaganda. For example, this scholarly source tells that The Baʿthi regime stressed that animosity between Arabs and Persians stretched back to the farthest reaches of ancient history. A radio propaganda campaign aimed at Arabs living inside Iran reminded them that: ‘[f]rom the dawn of history [Persians] have been, and still are, conspiring and plotting against the Arabs’. I am not making a judgement if this is a valid historical concept or a concept misused for propaganda. I am just saying this subject/concept has been covered in a significant number of books and scholarly articles. My very best wishes (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep This is one of the most important issues in Asia and the Middle East. You can read about it in Persian and Arabic books. In my opinion, keep the article. Lexy iris (talk) 23:38, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge with Arab League–Iran relations, we would need stronger sources that the conflict actually exists and is not just one way of characterizing the relations. As it stands, I think this issue could be better covered in the relations article. buidhe 08:52, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Hugely important issue. Wikipedia has some issues of lacking extensive referencing to Non-Latin script based sources, this article needs to be expanded.★Trekker (talk) 04:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


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