Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arab–Israeli relations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:01, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Arab–Israeli relations

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This page theoretically has a broader scope, but it currently just duplicates content from Israel–United Arab Emirates normalization agreement, while pointing to the broader "normalization agreements" that have been signed, and which are collectively referred to as "normalization agreements", e.g.: Bahrain–Israel normalization agreement, Israel–Morocco normalization agreement, Israel–Sudan normalization agreement ... also known as the Abraham Accords, which is where this material is already covered in full. Arab–Israeli relations more generally are already covered at Arab–Israeli conflict, which holds the context for why normalization is necessary in the first place, and Arab–Israeli alliance. Outside of these contexts, it's unclear if "ethnicity–nationality" is an appropriate framing for foreign/international relations, as this would seemingly just veer in the direction of a repeat of content from articles on the relations of Israel with a collection of 20 other countries. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:00, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics, Israel,  and United Arab Emirates. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:00, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bilateral relations and Middle East.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:37, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:COMMONNAME, Arab refers to the Arab world. There is a vast literature on the subject which relates to the collective positions of the states and is more than just about conflict; some examples.


 * The only possible argument here might be a TNT, but I do not see it, the article can be easily stubified. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 22:22, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * It's already a stub that simply duplicates other articles. That's sort of the problem. I left it an open question as to whether this article should/could be supported or not. But this page has content that is such a fragmented aspect of any potential whole topic that it's not a useful start - so yes, I would say WP:TNT would be applicable until an editor has the will to create something that is not than just some scattered notes on one part of the Abraham Accords. As it stands, the page is just a navigational obstruction on the encyclopedia that can only serve to potentially crop up in searches and direct readers here to an essentially functionally useless page rather than to an actually useful page on the subject such as the main Arab–Israeli conflict page or Abraham Accords page. I arrived here by just such a journey, looking for the 'Abraham Accords' page. All of the sources above refer to the conflict and peace process. Iskandar323 (talk) 04:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Every source from a Zionist, mostly in occupied Palestine itself. This presumption that "Israel" can have "relations" with a single ethnic group -- membership in said group totally defined by the Zionists -- obviously serves to flatten Palestinians into "Arabs", "just like all the others", "and why can't they just go elsewhere in their people's lands?", etc. Additionally, it reinforces the idea that the Ziostate is the Universal Jew which represents and embodies every Hebrew on Earth, despite its very existence being considered an abomination by devout Hasids and secular American kids alike. So...do you have anything -- literally ANYTHING -- from a Palestinian scholar? Or even just one who isn't explicitly Zionist??? Thanks. 142.126.146.27 (talk) 16:14, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep I do not see a reason why this can't be a broad-concept article covering both the conflict and the alliance. As Goldsztajn points out, this topic is clearly notable. Deletion is not cleanup. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:43, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Duplicative of Israel–United Arab Emirates normalization agreement. Also covered by Abraham Accords, Arab–Israeli conflict, and Arab–Israeli alliance. Just because the title could be a broad-concept article doesn't mean this article should be kept, so no prejudice to reorganization of those articles that may include this name, but someone would actually have to do it rather than having another redundant stub. Just because the high-level topic has coverage for notability doesn't mean we have to have this page when the topic is still covered in other articles (WP:NOPAGE), and that's not merely cleanup. Reywas92Talk 14:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * All those are subsets of this topic; this is the top-level subject. This is akin to arguing for the deletion of the Africa–United States relations article because it is made up of component parts. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 13:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean, all the sources you provided were about the "Arab–Israeli Peace Process", which is absolutely a child article of the "Arab–Israeli conflict" - you can't have peace without war. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:50, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * First, the Menachem Klein piece is not about the peace process, second, the texts themselves discuss relations in toto, third, even if it was only a list of texts with titles related to the peace process, those texts *contain* (as does much of the literature) material that is beyond the conflict per se, for example, discussion of differences within the Arab states towards Israel. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 21:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:50, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The page is notable as previously stated. All it needs is a clean up and rewriting. Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * What an understatement! Are you going to rewrite it? Reywas92Talk 13:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to Arab-Israeli conflict. Someone can expand the article into a broader concept if they want, but right now it is actively confusing to have an article covering one small fragment of the general topic, with a very search-likely title that implies coverage of the whole general topic, when we actually do have a page on the general topic.
 * JoelleJay (talk) 05:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, this was essentially one premise of the nomination - one that I could have perhaps elaborated on. As long as the article does not contain broad concept material, it is simply a navigational hazard for readers. It would be better redirected to a page where the material is better covered, and, if and when someone expands the material it could of course be re-split out to this page as and when required. But this is a definite if. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:58, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Interested in others' thoughts, not ideal, not outright opposed, but much better than delete. My concern is I don't like the equivalence implied by this particular redirect. My only other thought is could this be a disambiguation page? Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 03:42, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Striking !vote for the moment, pending others' inputs. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 03:45, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * European colonization is an inherent conflict, one which doesn't end until genocide is complete. Your feelings are immaterial. 142.126.146.27 (talk) 16:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:34, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, I think it's a notable topic on its own, but WP:TNT of the existing article and rewrite starting with the Oslo Accords and Camp David Accords. Andre🚐 21:10, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.