Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arab Times (US)


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:03, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Arab Times (US)

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The "newspaper" doesn't even exist, its a badly written science-fiction blog. Makeandtoss (talk) 23:41, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment.  I don't understand this nomination.  As far as I can tell, this does exist, and it's not a science fiction blog: proof.  Did you nominate the correct article? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:49, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I saw that source, do we have another one? Makeandtoss (talk) 08:09, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't understand why I'm being asked to provide sources to prove that this isn't a science fiction blog when it's self-evidently not. Or is this a request to demonstrate notability?  Well, I don't know where to go to look for sources on an Arab-language newspaper from Houston, and I'm not especially familiar with the notability criteria for newspapers.  WP:NMEDIA says that newspapers are presumed notable if they are 1) award-winning (no, I don't think so), 2) historic (probably not), 3) authoritative (maybe), 4) frequently cited (maybe), or 5) significant in ethnic markets (probably yes).  Let's see what I can find:
 * Here's a very brief news article about a libel lawsuit from the Toledo Blade
 * In 2010, the Arab Times reported that Pakistani diplomat Mian Gul Akbar Zaib had been turned down to several posts because his name translates to a crude phrase in Arabic. This was picked up in several sources, including The Jerusalem Post (link).  After also running the story, Foreign Policy then debunked it, revealing it as a joke.
 * There's a Kuwaiti newspaper with the same name. I did a Google News search for  to try to minimize false positives.  Here's what I found:  from the South Florida Times (looks reliable to me),  from CNN (pretty weak, as it's an opinion piece that just quotes another opinion piece),  from the International Business Times, and  from the Gatestone Institute (which called it "one of the most popular Arab online newspapers").  I don't know if all that satisfies the criteria, but it looks pretty decent to me. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:53, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * For the "Akbar Zaib" story, this just demonstrates how reliable and wonderful this "newspaper" is. Would you like me to link you to articles that claims that King Abdullah II of Jordan is a serial killer who once seduced his own sister?
 * from the International Business Times, this is for arabtimesonline.com not arabtimes.com
 * from the Gatestone Institute (which called it "one of the most popular Arab online newspapers"), opinion piece too, extraordinary claim for a newspaper that almost two sources mention
 * We only have libel lawsuit article and some random book Makeandtoss (talk) 23:15, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * searched for that "Arab Times" piece, ""Assaulting personal honor on Egypt's Islamist TV stations." The link in the Gatestone Institute article is broken, search results here:   Although I can't find the article, I see no reason to assume that it refers to the U.S. Arab Times, rather than to the more significant newspaper with that name.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:37, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * With the type of professional journalism they display, there's a chance that the this story too is fabricated. There's obviously a common ground between this "newspaper" and the writers at Gatestone, both think they can undermine their readers' intelligence. The rest of search results are forums and blogs; no surprise there. --Makeandtoss (talk) 12:09, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:29, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:29, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

(::*Note: I have been a frequent WP creator and expander of articles on small town, faith-based, and ethnic newspapers in the U.S.).E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:50, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete I tagged this article for notability last summer, because I could not find RS to support the claims in the article. I still cannot.  I'm not denying that it is a real website, just sayin' that the sole source we have for notability or even for the facts is a single libel suit - and  the ARabTimesOnline.   Flag me if sources are found and I'll revisit.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:43, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as I'm not finding anything actually better. SwisterTwister   talk  06:51, 12 July 2016 (UTC)


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