Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aravious Armstrong


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 21:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Aravious Armstrong

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Incoming true freshman who has yet to play a down of college football. The only source material covers Miami's recruits in general - this player does not meet the standard of significant coverage by reliable sources independent of the subject. If, after arriving at campus, redshirting, earning playing time, and earning a starting position, he becomes a notable player, we can create an article at that time. Teams take in 20-25 or so players per year and around half of them never play a meaningful down. B (talk) 19:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, possibly speedy, unless "Armstrong was considered one of the best defensive prospects coming out of high school in 2009" is considered evidence of notability. "One of the best" doesn't seem adequate to me.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 19:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Every scholarship player for a BCS team was one of the best prospects coming out of high school. I am a Virginia Tech fan and occasionally go back and look at our old recruiting classes and it's amazing how many people on the list everyone obsessed over as the next thing since sliced bread who never panned out.  I'm all for having articles on notable college athletes, but unless someone outside of a recruiting service notices them, we don't need high school athletes to be covered. --B (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. Let's name the precedents: Arthur Brown, Russell Shepard, Devon Kennard, Matt Barkley, Garrett Gilbert, Bryce Brown, Manti Teo. Each of these articles is about a high school football player, each of them faced an AfD, and in each and everyone of them was decided to keep the articles. Don't waste your time, guys. --bender235 (talk) 22:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Going down your list ... Arthur Brown was ranked by some as the #1 recruit in the country and received non-trivial media coverage, including a USA Today article specifically about him. Shepard was also ranked as the #1 recruit in the country by some.  Kennard was #2 nationally and is the subject of numerous news articles.  Barkley was the Gatorade National Player of the Year.  Gilbert overwhelmingly meets the standard of significant coverage in the media.  Bryce Brown received the U.S. Army National Player of the Year Award.  Manti Teʻo has never actually been AFD'd but perhaps should.  Anyway, Armstrong, unlike your above "precedents", has only been covered by news outlets that are covering all recruits.  Nobody has profiled him.  He isn't the #1 player in the country.  He isn't a Percy Harvin, Tim Tebow, Chris Leak, or LeBron James that every sports fan on the planet has heard of even while they were in high school.  That's the difference. --B (talk) 01:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Armstrong has been profiled by St. Petersburg Times. He also was ranked #13 by Rivals, compared to Shepard #7, Kennard #8, and Gilbert #18. I don't really see how smart it would be to delete this article now just to prove something, and then re-add it in fall when Armstrong lines up for the Hurricanes. --bender235 (talk) 01:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you read the article you linked? He wasn't "profiled" - he was mentioned in an article about Miami's recruiting.  Only a small amount is actually about him.  If, at some point in the future, he becomes a starter and there is non-trivial media coverage about him, then an article would be appropriate.  I'm assuming that he is redshirting, so even if he starts as a redshirt freshman, that's 18 months away.  Take a good look at Miami's commit list.  A quarter of them will never play a meaningful down and over half of them will never start.  We don't need articles for all of them just in case they make it. --B (talk) 02:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I am not certain about college football players, but those who have not yet played at that level are certainly not yet  notable college athletes, which is the highest level of "amateur" competition. .  As for notable high school athletes, I would insist as for other high school activities, on a national level award, not just a state one. Shepard, for example, did have a national level distinction, This is something that needs to be reconsidered. Only a few months ago we were debating about the notability of college varsity players. Articles with emphasis on the choice of a student about which college to attend, show the lack of encyclopedic content.  to make an analogy, this is as if we were to make a push not just for the notability of any assistant professor, regardless of actual publications--but of anyone who ever started to work towards a PhD.   DGG (talk) 01:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:ATHLETE, he's a wait and see situation, which isn't what wikipedia is for. Secret account 22:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as he does not meet inclusion criteria. Adam Zel (talk) 13:55, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


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