Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arch of Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and International Shrine of the Holy Innocents


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 14:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Arch of Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and International Shrine of the Holy Innocents

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This article is about a building project proposed in 2001 that appears to have never really gotten off the ground. Questions were raised about notability as early as 2007. I attempted to PROD it 5 years ago, but it was contested (not by the creator). Recently, I stumbled upon it again. I have discussed this with the original author who agrees "there is no way that it meets notability guidelines." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mannanan51 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - I copied the rationale from WT:AfD. ansh 666 18:42, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets the general notabiloty guideline. Plenty of coverage. And here is an example from October 2016 so it's false to say the plan was dropped. see here. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:10, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment There is little to no coverage between 2002 and 2016. 2013 financials suggest that twelve years later substantially less than 5% of anticipated funding has been raised. The 2016 article states that after seventeen years they still don't have the land, and aren't even sure where to put it. ""We don't have land. I initially believed that it should go out here on our waterfront," Behr said." The article calls it a "dream". Mannanan51 (talk) 07:11, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete This article essentially presents news report information based on announcements of the project and reactions to it. No real event has happened. Following the guidance at WP:FUTURE, it appears that announcements of future events without a strong likelihood do not qualify for articles. --Bistropha (talk) 07:28, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:FUTURE says "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced." So that policy supports inclusion of this subject. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:02, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It also says "expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." please note "only" if it's "almost certain to take place". Seriously?! Mannanan51 (talk) 03:50, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
 * You are quoting from the part of the policy addressing "individual scheduled or expected future events" such as a future Superbowl, election, or eclipse. This isn't a scheduled event or an expected event, it's a proposed architectural design that has received very substantial coverage in reliable independent sources over many years. FloridaArmy (talk) 04:15, 1 February 2018 (UTC)


 * "routine news reporting on things like announcements, ...is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia." Mannanan51 (talk) 20:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete little coverage, chance of it actually being built seems small. Tacyarg (talk) 10:30, 6 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.