Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Archenland (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Narnia (world). King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:21, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Archenland
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Minor part of the Narnia setting, I can't find anything in the sources outside a plot summary (ex. in Lewis life encyclopedia: ), the best I did was in where there is one sentence speculating that the name of this place might be related to Ireland. While some aspects of Narnia have been analyzed (particularly in relation to Christianity), this fictional location does not seem to have attracted any serious discussion outside plot-like summaries and therefore seems to fail WP:NFICTION/WP:GNG. There is no referenced content to merge but the entry could be just soft-deleted by redirecting to Narnia_(world). Thoughts?PS. Prior AfD from 2008 was not linked on the current's article talk page, but note that even in those old days where things were very inclusionist the discussion concluded in Merge/redirect. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  02:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * Comment I just added the first AfD to the article's talk page. Lady  of  Shalott  02:39, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Narnia_(world). The target can use a bit more of the content of the article, which is supported by secondary sources. At the very least the references should not be lost by deletion, soft or otherwise, when they can improve the target article. The source no. 2 found by the nominator does not only compare the names, but also the relationship of England/Ireland to Narnia/Archenland + extrapolation. Space and Place in Children’s Literature, 1789 to the Present, interestingly, compares Archenland to continental Europe rather than Ireland. Representations of home, the orient and the other “other” in selected children's fantasy literature does an evaluation of Archenland as "idealized space...", but I cannot see if and how much more there is. So for the time being, the non-plot treatment found can probably fit reasonably within the suggested target article. I have by no means combed through all the multitude of hits in Google Scholar or other engines, so if someone should find more I will be happy to reconsider my opinion. Daranios (talk) 14:54, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per above. This is not really worth having a seperate article, but the sourced stuff is worth keeping.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:06, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete due to a lack of reliable third party sources with real world context. There's no way for this article to meet the WP:GNG and WP:NOT and there's already sufficient detail about Narnia in other articles, particularly the article about Narnia as a world. I would consent to a merge if that's where the consensus is going, though I don't see much material that would need to be expanded. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:20, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Narnia (world). I have already added the sources, since the information was already there, and there is nothing else worth merging. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:51, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Narnia (world). There's no substantive coverage of this fictional region that I am aware of, but enough passing mentions that the references and such are worth preserving, and the title is a reasonable search term. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge and/or redirect as a reasonable search term with some sourced passing mentions. Could help improve the main narnia universe article. Jontesta (talk) 18:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)


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