Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Argentine people of European descent


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy delete. This is an old cut and paste version - Sherlock4000 is working on the proper version in his user space.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:13, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Argentine people of European descent

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Listing per Deletion review/Log/2011 March 5. I abstain. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment What the heck is going on here? There was a perfectly good discussion on this, and the article was userfied. If some nit-picking procedural argument is presented that this was incorrect, I can't see how this justifies dragging the whole issue up again. What exactly is this supposed to achieve? AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:32, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There was not a consensus in the DRV on whether G4 applied to the new article (i.e. is the new version different enough to escape deletion?), so that is why it is being presented here. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:58, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd dispute that, but in any case, the 'new' article still contains substantial amounts of text copy-pasted from the 'White Argentine' article with no edit history - a clear breach of copyright terms, as editors contributions are unattributed. I am going to put a note to this effect on the article talk page, and if the issue is not resolved promoptly, blank the article per Wikipedia policy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I am also confused. This was userfied so it could be re-worked to be re-submitted. Why is it back with no history? I'm also fairly certain somebody should have informed me of the DRV as I was the closer of the original AFD. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Procedural delete This is ridiculous. The current article should simply be deleted. It should then be replaced by moving User:Sherlock4000/White Argentine to this title. The DRV was done under the radar while the same issues were being discussed at ANI and a userfied version was being worked on. This is a mess, at the very least we should have the version with the history, not this Frankenstein version of the article. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. As Beeblebrox says, this looks the best way out of this mess. I think that moving User:Sherlock4000/White Argentine to this title would be premature though, as the consensus was that any article on the subject needed not just revision, but more general input from those involved in the discussion - It is being worked on, but as it stands, I'd still have real concerns with OR, sourcing etc. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note. just to add to the confusion, Sherlock4000 has started copy-pasting from the user-page article into this one. I've reverted this, as again it doesn't maintain article history, so breaches copyright. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:28, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - As Andy says, substantial amounts of text copy-pasted from the 'White Argentine' article and now from somewhere else. - Off2riorob (talk) 18:32, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Such a gargantuan clusterfuck has been created by a bad but well-intentioned DRV decision. Unless the two frankenstein's can somehow be merged, seems the best way out is to nuke this one. Tarc (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep (with former article's history): To begin with, I was as surprised as everyone else when I logged on and noticed this. I've stated before that the former article's history must be preserved. Whatever happened, we should keep this article as it shows causality between the six million European immigrants who arrived in Argentina and Argentines of European descent today, including influences both African and Indigenous. I should note that this subject has been treated by some with the kind of fear and apprehension that one would expect from, say, a Nazi-related subject, when other articles about similar communities in the region have raised no objections at all, despite not having anywhere near the research this one did, and blatantly calling their respective groups "white" without including the genetic research this one does to give credit to African and Native contributions. White Latin Americans, White Hispanics, White Brazilians, White Colombians, Mexicans of European descent, Peruvians of European descent each have a page, and so should this one. Afro-Argentines, Arab Argentines, Asian Argentines, Indigenous peoples in Argentina, and other communities each have a page, and so should this one.


 * I empathize with the argument that "ethnicity is a social construct." If none of these pages should exist, try starting with one of these thinly-referenced, one-sided entries, instead.


 * All the best, Sherlock4000 (talk) 19:38, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.