Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Argiris Karras


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  Redirect to List of Degrassi: The Next Generation characters--- Balloonman ' NO! I'm Spartacus! 13:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Argiris Karras

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Unsourced BLP. No coverage in reliable sources provided. (The closest I found was a few mentions on afterellen.com.) Only potentially notable role is on Degrassi: The Next Generation. That role, however, is minor enough to not merit mention in Degrassi: The Next Generation. Not notable. SummerPhD (talk) 03:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The article needs work to be brought up to WP standards, but this article is relevant. Chrisbrl88 (talk) 11:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - The problem is not that the article seems "irrelevant", just that we cannot find sufficient coverage in independent reliable sources to write a reasonably detailed article about Karras. To address the concerns, we need significant coverage in independent reliable sources, which I cannot find. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to Degrassi: The Next Generation, the only place where this individual has any sourcable notability.  After Degrassi, this fellow seems to have fallen off the planet.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete No external sources given (except IMDB which lists everyone). No claim made for notability. Fails WP:ACTOR.  LK (talk) 10:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the article lacks sources, and such is a shame... but available sources would indicate a merge & redirect to where this individual has his notability.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:47, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - That search pretty much confirms what I'm saying. You get a number of results, but all of them are from CTV and afterellen.com. A redirect? Maybe. Heck, why not. But what would you merge? - SummerPhD (talk) 20:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. I visit because i find this article mis-classified as "unsourced" when in fact it is sourced.  The deletion nominator should update his/her editing to use BLP IMDB-only refimprove or BLP IMDB refimprove as an appropriate tag for articles that are sourced from IMDB.  It seems like insular wikipedia jargon to assert that an article is "unsourced" when in fact it is obviously sourced by the IMDB source given in the article.  Or if the complaint is that the source is presented as a general source in the form of an external link (which is actually acceptable by my understanding of policy/guidelines), then please use nofootnotes to complain about lack of specific footnoting.  I !vote Keep as I believe the accuracy of IMDB in asserting this person is an actor and appears on the TV shows as reported in IMDB.  Deleting the article will just leave a void to be filled by a new article on same person.  Better to mark the article for improvement, or to improve it. --doncram (talk) 17:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Sorry the article was mis-tagged. Now back to the subject of its notability. Yes, IMDb is a "source". However, it is not a reliable source. For notability, we need significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. We do not currently have that. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I added a second source to the article, also attesting that he is an actor and acts in the TV series DeGrassi.  Do you seriously disbelieve IMDB on that?  IMDB is reliable/credible for some information.  And, I added the article to WikiProject Canada and I will add mention of this AFD to wt:Canada now.  Perhaps both of those steps will attract some editors to fix up the article, but maybe not on short notice.  I imagine there is more coverage of Karras in Canadian newspapers and other sources, because he is Canadian and because the Degrassi series is a Canadian TV show.  I think it is best to let the article develop. --doncram (talk) 01:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * IMDb lists pretty much everyone who has any credited part whatsoever in any film or television show. It can be helpful for verification of some facts after notability has been covered off through other sources, but it doesn't prove notability by itself; if it did, we'd have articles on every second sous-grip and best boy and chef's assistant and porn fluffer in the history of film. Bearcat (talk) 02:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirectto List of Degrassi: The Next Generation characters, where his character appear about halfway down. This should be adequate until/unless he gets more roles.  PK  T (alk)  02:30, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, every regular actor on Degrassi is notable. Tonight's episode was especially pivotal to his career, which established his character as a role model for closeted teens. 117Avenue (talk) 03:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Actually, none of them are notable unless and until we have sufficient coverage in independent reliable sources to write a reasonably detailed article. We still don't have that. We need independent reliable sources. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Deelte. The significant coverage in independent reliable sources required to establish notability does not appear to exist. Nuttah (talk) 10:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.