Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ari Herstand


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep. I verified the existence of several news articles establishing notability by adding links to them in the reference set. Notability according to Notability (music) established. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Ari Herstand

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No mention of why he is notable. No references, and has only released independent albums. Google search results came back with a relatively small amount. --Wirbelwind ヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 01:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep since this, this and this media mentions establish that for one: the band is real & we would have enough reliable & independent sources to create an article with. Mr. Berry 01:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Simply does not meet the minimum criteria of Notability (music). A few local paper reviews (as noted above), a live set at a local club, and an indy release do not meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Come back when at least one of the criteria is met. Akradecki 03:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Akradecki. --TM 04:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable enough (yet). Realkyhick 06:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete promo. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep His music has been played on MTV, he has been positively reviewed by the Grammy winning producer Kevin Bowe and a national paper (arts section of The Onion), as well as numerous local papers spanning numerous states.  He has played at two national music festivals (Austin, TX's SXSW and Milwaukee, WI's Summerfest) of which musicians like Guster, John Mayer, Jamie Cullum, and Hanson have played at.  He has played with major label artists such as Matt Nathanson (March 30th, '07), Joshua Radin (who is on the Grey's Anatomy soundtrack), Sandi Thom, Schuyler Fisk, and This World Fair at more intimate settings and he has also played trumpet at Carnegie Hall.  He has fused a new genre of music (Folk/Hop) which has started to spread among other indy artists.  The person who wants to delete this article has simply not done their research (there are over 10,000 articles for the search "Ari Herstand" in quotes on Google, this may seem small, however, Herstand is the only "Ari Herstand" in the world).  Though he is an independent artist, his vast number of performances at the aforementioned major venues as well the widespread acknowledgment of his success as a musician (every single newspaper article being positive) makes him a notable addition to Wikipedia. I can provide more evidence if needed for all of my above statements. In response to Akradecki: according to Notability (music) he meets the central criterion of notability, namely, "the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable."  Your case is therefore completely null and void.HighOnYou 07:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment/response The problem here is that you don't seem to understand how things work at Wikipedia. You said "The person who wants to delete this article has simply not done their research", but our policies make it very clear that it is your responsibility to do the research, not the person nominating it for deletion. The burden of demonstrating notability is up to you when you write the article, and you didn't bother to put any of the above detailed information into the article. Notability is based on what's actually in the article, not on all the stuff you leave out. Re-write the article, detail what you've said here, back it with citations and I'll be happy to change my "delete" to a "keep". Again, and this is really important for you to understand, it's your job to do the research and properly document how the article's subject meets our notability criteria within the article, not here! Akradecki 13:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Then why isn't any of it sourced? --Wirbelwind ヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 07:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I apologize that when I made the page I solely put links to newspaper articles on the bottom without incorporating their contents in citations. I will work on that, however, these facts are not made up and this page does not need to be put up for deletion because of a sloppy article.  An unreferenced tag would suffice. Do you mind if I change the tag to  until better citations are added?HighOnYou 07:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep with Edits: If citations can be made for the Summerfest concert and use of the artists music on the Real World, I would say that this musician has proven national credibility. A resume with those features would get him somewhere; however, I will agree that the citations for this work need to be included. I would not agree with a delete for this page. If citations cannot be brought forward in a reasonable amount of time, say two weeks I would then suggest deletion Themaskeddrummer 13:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - No assertion of notability.--Bryson 02:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - References have been added and notability has been established. HighOnYou 12:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per the 7 references added since the AFD was started (see diff). Sources do not have to be from international newspapers to count.  -- Black Falcon 22:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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