Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ariel Horn


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The result was no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 01:56, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Ariel Horn

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 * Fails WP:BASIC. Almost no coverage in reliable sources.
 * Fails WP:ANYBIO. Has not been nominated or won a well-known and significant award or honor; has not made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in her specific field.
 * Fails WP:AUTHOR. Magnolia677 (talk) 04:51, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. North America1000 09:37, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. I can't agree with "almost no coverage": her 2004 book was reviewed/covered in The Jerusalem Post, The Forward , Newsday , Publishers Weekly , Wall Street Journal , and more. That may not be enough to show author notability, however. --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:19, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - WSJ, Jerusalem Post reviews for a HarpersCollins books are sufficient for AUTHOR for me; other reviews add to the multiple independent coverage criterion. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 01:26, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep I added a few more references. She's reviewed in Booklist and Publishers Weekly. I formatted the article so it reads better, too. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:35, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:50, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete One book, no awards, no bestseller list. PW and Booklist review thousands of books a year and do short and not very analytic reviews. REf #3 has short quotes from a Ariel Levenson -- perhaps her maiden name? -- but it's not about her. Ref #4 is about her sister, doesn't mention her. Book held in less than 200 libraries on WorldCat. Unless a book is a complete runaway hit (cf To Kill a Mockingbird) I think we shouldn't give notability to one-book authors. LaMona (talk) 03:10, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * LaMona, I take your point, except, the sources are there. I guess the idea of a novel - said to be a funny novel - about a soon-to-be Ivy League grad desperately in need of a job but with few actual, employable skills hit a nerve - because boy did she get interviewed in major places:  Newsday, the Wall Street Journal.  And a book review in the New York Times - one of their brief reviews, you know, the ones that run about 5 column inches, but, still, a review for a first novel.  True, it's only one novel.  But the sourcing is there.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:00, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep ran an Proquest news archive search and came up with a lot of hits, interviews, coverage of her career, book reviews. Plenty of sources to pass WP:GNG.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Could you please add some links to all these sources? Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:05, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Added some newspaper profiles and the book review that ran in the NYTimes.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:52, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak delete - One book? Sounds pretty sketchy to me in terms of notability. Maybe we can bring the article back if more info comes up and/or another book written by her is released. Parsley Man (talk) 02:35, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - It's difficult to verify most of the sources, as most require a paid subscription. We're left with a few book reviews, and almost nothing written about her (not about her one book).  Magnolia677 (talk) 03:55, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Magnolia677 We count sources like the ones I added from the news archive search Proquest. They are  valid and carry the same weight as sources that are open access.   And remember that searches are never complete, even with a good search engine, there are always more sources out there. If someone familiar with her work and career was working on this, they would undoubtedly know of more material.  I merely stopped by while looking through a list of AFDs.   I did not take the time to rewrite / expand the article with the biographical details in the sources I found, or to write up a better description of the book and what the reviewers have said about it.  The articles/ profiles that ran as the book was coming out in fact have a great deal of detail about her life and the job-hunting struggles that led her to write the book.  "almost nothing written about her" is not accurate;   extensive material about her exists, much in the sources I added.  And the reviews we have now located include one in the New York Times.  The article still needs expansion, improvement.  But the sources found establish notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:11, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * There is also coverage of her teaching career, winning an award: ; ; under her married name, Ariel Levenson.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:20, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Magnolia677, I am doing a rewrite using a number of password-protected sources. articles sourced to Proquest are not "deadlinks" - they are paywalled.  I can wish that there were no paywalls - it certainly would make it easier to evaluate articles, but articles do not have to be freely availabailabe to be valid.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:38, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


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