Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aris Pavlis


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The result was redirect to Nama band. The standard for keeping as a redirect is much lower than notability. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:23, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Aris Pavlis

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Unreliable sources and a virtually unknown person with no notability. Should be deleted. Glucken123 (talk) 15:40, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Glucken123 (talk) 15:40, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:57, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Procedural Keep Redirect to Nama band (see below references) - No evidence that WP:BEFORE was followed and good evidence that it probably wasn't as this was part of a mass-nomination of dozens of articles about Greek culture over the course of a hour. FOARP (talk) 15:58, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear FOARP, may I ask you to google those names before voting in any discussions I nominated for deletion? I investigated those Greek articles for hours and carefully nominated each and one of them. The fact that it happened at the same time does not mean there is vandalism involved. Like I said, in other deletion discussions, Aris Pavlis is another example of a virtually unknown artist in Greece who somehow ended up with a Wikipedia page. Can you again, google their name and have a good look at their notability? Any sources might do. Thanks in advance. Glucken123 (talk) 16:05, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You should do the research first, before nominating, and I honestly don't believe you did that based on this mass nomination of dozens of different articles in such a short time. PS and look at the references I found even with a short search - 1 2 3. At most a merge/redirect to Nama band might be justified, but since you've nominated that for deletion as well it's clear you never saw those references. FOARP (talk) 16:26, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Those references are not enough on their own to provide encyclopaedic notability! In this case, a short review (in fact, a tiny paragraph) from a Greek site in 2008, could not really help a Wikipedia article stand on its own. Furthermore, there are so many exaggerated claims - something like a press release. Flash.gr is an unreliable blog btw! Glucken123 (talk) 16:40, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Read WP:NEWSORG, Flash.Gr appears to be a pass as it is not self-published, has an editorial team, is professionally-made etc. etc. Definitely not a blog. FOARP (talk) 16:48, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * FOARP, is there international notability of this band? The answer is no. A random mention on a Greek blog does not mean the band should remain on English Wikipedia. Furthermore, the lack of available sources online - or complete articles on the band makes this case quite hard as well. Have you heard of them? Have you ever listened to their music? Glucken123 (talk) 16:55, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "International notability" is not a requirement of WP:GNG or WP:NBAND. Me having heard of it or not heard of it is not relevant. FOARP (talk) 16:58, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete a non-notable musician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:00, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, or redirect to Nama band. Known mostly as member of the Greek group Nama. Even if this band is considered notable, that doesn't make automatically all of its members notable as well. (btw the Pavlis' article is almost identical to the article on the band) ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 22:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC)


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