Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ariya Astrobeat Arkestra


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  Jujutacular  talk 06:52, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Ariya Astrobeat Arkestra

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This article fails to establish notability for bands. The article also fails WP:GNG. Furthermore, the writings of the article creator here suggest that Wikipedia is being used as a promotional plattform for this non-notable band. Amsaim (talk) 17:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, I have created this page and I have spent a lot of time making sure that the information is accurate and in-line with the guidelines set out by Wikipedia. This article is not for self promotion. This article clearly states historical and background information of public interest on a relatively new artist which has made a massive impact on the UK Afrobeat seen. With international radio play, live sessions for the BBC, high profile public performances, I can not understand why it's notability is being questioned. There are no infringements of copyright law, there is nothing political, violent or attacking. There are no uncited claims.


 * This article has not been conceived as a tool for self-promotion or advertisement. This article has been written to assist the international community in finding background and historical information on a band which is making a huge impact and fast gaining a committed fan base across the globe.


 * Many thanks Wikimuso (talk) 17:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. The guideline set out by Wikipedia that this article falls short of is notability. The general guidelines for notability are substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources; the article does not demonstrate this. There are some additional standards which can indicate the notability of a musician; again, the article does not assert any of these things. While UK Afrobeat may be a relatively small musical genre, there should be some secondary sources about the band if they have made a "massive impact" on it. —C.Fred (talk) 21:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 02:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * keep. This article DOES fall in with the guidelines as set out by Wikipedia.

1. The band have performed a 2 hour live session for live radio broadcast on the BBC. For an Afrobeat artist, this is 'significant coverage' (see Wikipedia:Notability) 2. The band have had regular international radio play of multiple tracks from the pre-release of their album. For an Afrobeat artist, this is 'significant coverage' (see Wikipedia:Notability)

Please see 'Criteria for musicians and ensembles' on Wikipedia:Notability (music) and look at items 7, 9, 10, 11, 12. This artist satisfies all of these requirements.

There are limited on-line resources for this artist. This fact does not under any circumstances mean that the article in question (for sadly potential deletion), falls short of wikipedia's criteria for notability. Many industry experts consider The Ariya Astrobeat Arkestra to be one of the most exciting offerings of the UK Afrobeat scene for many years. The fact that they have just been broadcast (in live session) on the UK's number 1 funk and soul radio show, (BBC6 - Craig Charles Funk & Soul Show) says it all. It is important that artist's who are notable within niche genres of music, get the same encyclopedic recognition as those from large genres with proportionally less public interest within their genre. Wikimuso (talk) 16:45, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment - IP editor 81.147.35.105 placed the "Keep" sign/ivote in this AfD for another editor. I have reverted her/his edit. Could an admin pls check if IP editor 81.147.35.105 is a sock-puppet of Wikimuso? Thank you. Amsaim (talk) 11:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Apologies, I hadn't realised that my computer had signed me out! I have edited both of my above posts Wikimuso (talk) 16:45, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Please only make one recommendation (!vote) per discussion. I've struck through the duplicate keep. —C.Fred (talk) 16:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you C.Fred. I didn't realise this was an additional vote. From looking at other AfD's, I concluded that you must have to start your post on an AfD with either 'keep' or 'delete'. My rookie mistake. Wikimuso (talk) 16:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Easy mistake to make Wikimuso, I have forgotten I was logged out before also. You must be careful in this 'rookie' phase as it appeared that you were involved in sockpuppetry. This is heavily frowned upon in the community however it is clear that you are acting with the best intentions, even if you are making a few mistakes! Be careful. Before writing more articles I would advise you to spend some time learning and reading about how to maintain integrity with your activity on Wikipedia. It is an incredible community to be part of but take your time and don't rush in. It is clear that this article means a lot to you so I assume there is some bias, try to remain more detached in the future. I have chosen to vote to keep this article on-line because as it happens I know quite a lot about the genre of Afrobeat. I listened to the BBC broadcast and I have since been talking to many in the afrobeat community about The Ariya Astobeat Arkestra. They have certainly made a huge impact. On a personal note; I really like the music. In terms of it's encyclopedic relevance, I believe it to be wholly relevant and worthy of a presence on Wikipedia and thus my vote is to keep this article. Try to obtain more information to give this article validity for those less in the know who like to see 'Rookies' crash and burn! Good luck! 82.132.139.112 (talk) 20:24, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Comment - Please observe the most recent update to the Ariya Astrobeat Arkestra article noting the broadcast of the band on BBC Radio 2, Jamie Cullum Show on November 16th 2010. I believe his remarks will dismiss concerns as to the bands notability. In reference to the comment above regarding the artists record sales, to make a comment such as this you would of course need to know the figures, which you clearly do not. The bands debut album was only released yesterday (15th November). Wikimuso (talk) 23:33, 16 November 2010 (UTC) Comment - The bands debut album has only been out for 4 days so reviews are only just starting to trickle in. Please see the link added to the said article today from Okay Player. Okay Player is a highly regarded source for independent and credible reviews. With Jamie Cullum's radio comments two days ago on BBC Radio2, along with this review today, there is plenty of proof that people are 'talking about' The Ariya Astrobeat Arkestra. Wikimuso (talk) 23:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BAND. Impossible to claim to be important in a particular scene without any reliable sources to back that up (in music you can't be important without anyone noticing), especially when that's the one and only claim of notability. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  15:03, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 *  Keep I've not had time to look at this article in detail and its not in my area of expertise/interest. However, it is verifiable that this artist has been featured extensivly on this episode of the craig charles funk and soul show. This is a niche, but influential national show and certainly meets the requirements of Item 12 of WP:Band (COI disclaimer, its one of my favourite shows :p). Given this verifiable reliable coverage it seems to me that the article should be kept (albeit with the usual warnings about WP:V, WP:COI and WP:OR that are always appropriate for "fan" articles that have been predominantly developed by one contributor)Ajbpearce (talk) 23:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Minor new band with few sales. The Craig Charles show (Hail to Dave Lister) is a show for new and up coming bands. There is zero notability here. scope_creep (talk) 01:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:MUSICBIO mentions any band is notable if the band "has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network." I see evidence of the same on BBC. I've given here four playlists for BBC. There would be more....  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  14:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Afrobeat is about to reach a much bigger audience due to the Fela stage show and this band are beginning to be noted as the only readily available UK live exponent of this genre. I am no puppet and have no idea how to do this properly so apologies if this looks peculiar but it would be foolish to let this slip.  Album reviews help here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.40.49 (talk) 16:16, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.