Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arizona Maravilla


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The result was delete. Consensus is that the article does not have the significant coverage in reliable secondary sources needed to establish notability. Davewild (talk) 07:21, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Arizona Maravilla

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Non-notable street gang. They exist and have existed for a while, but there is a lack of significant third party coverage by reliable sources. Original author seriously misrepresented a lot of sources and tries to co-op sources about the notable Mexican Mafia as being about this gang. Fails WP:ORG. Really just a platform for some people to brag about a gang. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I did some editing on this article earlier today. I saw it on a list of articles that needed help so I stepped in to add a category and do a few other minor edits. I agree with you: the article is not fit for publication. I didn't look at the sources earlier when I was editing the article, but I have since then and agree that most of them are not applicable to this gang. My recommendation is to proceed with deletion. --Wapiti (talk) 05:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Although the article is looking a lot better thanks to, the referencing remains weak and falls short of the significant coverage required to establish notability. If that changes so will my !vote. Philg88 ♦talk 06:10, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions.  Philg88 ♦talk 06:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  Philg88 ♦talk 06:12, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  Philg88 ♦talk 06:31, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * keep - after several improvements this article does not fall outside WP:GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 08:13, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Which reference in use is getting it past GNG?Niteshift36 (talk) 13:00, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * , in particular. Let me know your opinion.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That source is a court case about an individual. The article is about the gang. There isn't significant coverage of the gang, it's a court record of a crime committed by some members of it. It merely documents that they exist. Also, WP:BLPPRIMARY cautions us: " Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person." as far as I know, Sandoval is still alive, making this a potential BLP issue as well.Niteshift36 (talk) 15:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Not forgetting that notability is not inherited. Even if the gang member is notable that doesn't make the gang notable. Philg88 ♦talk 15:59, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * OK guys, some serious amount of grasping for straws here:)--BabbaQ (talk) 08:47, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not grasping at straws it's Wikipedia policy, simple as that. Philg88 ♦talk 09:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:18, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete The gang is not notable. The article seemed to be created by someone with close connection or as a smear. I saw that the creator included a lot of unreliable links, and conducted what some sources said. -- BlueRedPurpleGreen (talk) 06:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * OK so your reasoning for deletion is not notable.. lol.--BabbaQ (talk) 08:47, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't meet WP:GNG notability guidelines. Capitalismojo (talk) 00:16, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * How?--BabbaQ (talk) 08:47, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


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