Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arkamo Rangers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Salvio 10:53, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Arkamo Rangers

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Ephemeral NN band, fails the GNG and all elements of WP:BAND. No significant coverage in reliable sources found beyond namedrops and casual mentions (among them, ZERO G-News hits). Search turns up the usual suspects: YouTube, social media, Spotify, discogs, and the like. Notability tagged for over ten years. Deprodded by the article creator with a lengthy WP:ILIKEIT argument, but no new sources added, now or previously.   Ravenswing     22:26, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   Ravenswing      22:26, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions.   Ravenswing      22:26, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - Not notable. Same old unreliable sites like Amazon, Discogs, Rate Your Music, Spotify, facebook, Google Play, iTunes, Pinterest, Jambase, empty Allmusic page, WP mirrors, concert sites, plus name checks and stuff where the words are separated. (Not going to start a rant about notability and all that stuff.). Btw, the name of the band is more like a sports team. :) GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 14:05, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - The article's creator has exhibited a persecution complex about not just deletion nominations, but any sort of editing, to his articles about local musicians that he enjoys. He has written passionately about the Arkamo Rangers here, but that does not mean they are notable. In this article we learn that "The original band members have diverse and distinct personalities." Wow, that only describes every band ever. The article is dependent on dead links that would have been tangential connections anyway, the band's AllMusic entries are blank, and they have received no reliable media coverage. They played some gigs and picked up some local fans, good for them. They can be discussed in their fans' blogs, not in an encyclopedia. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:44, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - The band got little official recognition, but had considerable influence in evolving the native Ozark folk music into it's current, highly-modern, form. Beyond this, the lyrics are significant in that they describe rural youth culture in ways that are likewise ignored by the mainstream profit-oriented media.  Deleting this page furthers rural isolation that is causing its better values to decline in ways that are allowing an introjected non-traditional culture to thrive on the traditional decline.  The outcome of this is intolerance is conflict between rural and urban that is being leveraged by pathological haters (evidence on tiktok is abundant).  I guess you could call this 'a discovery,' but with a long career managing and roady-ing bands through the 80s and 90s with dozens of bands (some with wikipedia pages), I can honestly say that none represented culture or provided influence as this one has. Beyond this is the band's musical and lyrical quality which it's detractors cannot comprehend, because if the could, they would not be attempting to delete it.  (Did they even listen? Probably not.) John Bessa (talk) 19:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Subjects do not qualify for Wikipedia articles because of their alleged influence, their description of local youth culture, their lyrical quality, or whether other editors know about them, nor if there's a passionate fan out there who wants to include them. They qualify if they have received significant coverage in reliable sources, or if they meet long-defined standards of inclusion.  In my user space for over a decade now is a draft article for a man who led a musical group I was in on and off for over forty years, someone with a number of musical accomplishments and whom I revere, and my objective view of whether he can meet the GNG and WP:MUSICBIO is that it's shaky.  You have been on Wikipedia long enough to either know the standards which apply to articles, or to learn them if you haven't. (By the bye, I just listened to a couple tracks on YouTube, the most popular of which has had 1 view a week since it was uploaded.  Perfectly inoffensive bluegrass.  The article still doesn't qualify for Wikipedia.)   Ravenswing      21:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The above "Keep" vote by John Bessa is clearly illogical. Wikipedia is an encyclopedic resource in which people/things must qualify for inclusion, and that is the reason for the policies named by Ravenswing and myself. This band is not notable because they have haters in social media or because some people don't appreciate their culture. The vote then descends into desperate accusations against anyone who refuses to accept the band's greatness, as apparently we don't "comprehend" them because we don't listen to them, and that's why we want to delete the article. Well I don't listen to Kanye West and honestly don't "comprehend" why he attracts universally rave reviews (he's good, but come on) but I have never tried to delete his Wikipedia article. Bessa's vote is little more than an "I like it" fallacy, with an attempt to throw in some original research on why they're brilliant but tragically unknown. Passionate fans can write in blogs, notable bands are covered here. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 22:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep. I loathe rap, for instance, but there is no question that hundreds of rap artists and rap-related subjects pass notability muster with flying colors, and that any attempt to seek their deletion would be not only spiteful and stupid, but wholly against Wikipedia policy.   Ravenswing      03:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment "The band got little official recognition..." See, that's the problem here. On Wikipedia we don't measure notability on the ground of "I like this band." That's not a good reason. The band needs to have reliable, secondary sources and the article can be kept. For example I cannot stand the genres of teen-pop or country, but I don't start an AfD on the articles of let's say, Hannah Montana or Willie Nelson just because I hate them. They have been covered in reliable media so that makes them notable, same with a lot of other artists. On the other hand I couldn't find anything reliable on this band, just social media pages, streaming service links, concert promotion sites and retail sites. These are not enough for WP inclusion. So to summarize: just because you like this band does not warrant it a Wikipedia article. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 17:25, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


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