Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arlene Ackerman (reverend)


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The result was   redirect to Metropolitan Community Church.  MBisanz  talk 00:23, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Arlene Ackerman (reverend)

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nn clergy, notability tagged for 2 and a half years. many clergy are on the board of this or that, nothing bespeaks importance Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:48, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree for the same reasons I put on her talk page. Her position in her Church was the same as a Cardinal in the Catholic Church.

Callelinea (talk) 02:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I have the same question as the last editor on the talkpage. I'm not sure you can compare this church to one with a billion adherents. That just doesn't fly. And that was 6 years ago. Nobody's cared enough to bother to fix it in that time. NN as nommed.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:30, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * FYI, Articles for deletion/Arlene Ackerman, Insomesia (talk) 23:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep and clean up Sources are there, this is an article that needs to be cleaned up so we know what this is really about. Insomesia (talk) 23:53, 4 February 2013 (UTC) Reverted as per WP:BLOCK EVASION.  00:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TBrandley (what's up) 02:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment: There are two Arlene Ackermans out there. One is an African American educator (Arlene Ackerman (educator)), this one is a Caucasian preacher, and many of the hits I'm finding refer back to the educator rather than the preacher. I'm mostly saying this so people can be careful about what they add so they don't attribute something that is actually for the other Ms Ackerman.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   05:02, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Metropolitan Community Church. Here's the thing: most, if not all, of Ackerman's notability stems from her interactions with the MCC. What little I have found mentions her in relation to the church and I haven't really found anything in-depth that would say that she's particularly of note as far as individual notability goes. She's definitely a higher up person in her church life both for the MCC and the other churches, but none of that has really translated to coverage in reliable sources. I found a large amount of false positives for Superintendent Ackerman, with almost every hit I received in Gbooks and news coming up for her rather than for the Reverend Ackerman. Ackerman just isn't notable outside of her interactions with the MCC and would be best served as a redirect to that article. It'd be nice if we could keep her article, but unfortunately she's a part of LBGT history where you have someone that was certainly influential but never actually received any coverage in RS and was seen more as a part of the larger organization she served than as an individual fighter for LBGT rights. I can't keep an article because WP:ILIKEIT. While her position was higher up and comparable to a Cardinal, it isn't really the same thing as a Cardinal, if that makes any sense. The difference is that whether they deserve it or not, Cardinals receive far more coverage than the higher ups of other forms of Christianity. I'd also argue that simply being a Cardinal isn't really enough for an article and would probably be better served as a redirect to their diocese/properties unless they've received in-depth coverage, but then that's just me. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   05:18, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete -- An elder supervising a multi-national region of a denomination might be the equivalent of a bishop, but in a denomination with 222 congregations worldwide, I am doubtful of being a member of a board is sufficient for notability. Converting this to a redirect would require the target to say soemthing about her, and I did not see that it did.  The article is at present extremely bland as to what she did, apart from occupy an office.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. The elder position is certainly not the same as a cardinal, and doesn't really seem to be the equivalent of bishop, either. The church website indicates the position has been in a state of flux, and was originally a part-time position. StAnselm (talk) 19:33, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't see anything to justify an encyclopedia article. --Michig (talk) 08:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
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