Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armando Gutierrez


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The result was   keep. NW ( Talk ) 00:20, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Armando Gutierrez

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Not notable enough for a standalone article. This individual is notable only for his involvement in the Elian Gonzalez incident (fails notability guidelines at WP:BLP1E). Additionally, other sources claim that this individual is planning a campaign for a congressional seat (fails notability guidelines at WP:POLITICIAN). If there is any relevant, notable information about this individual, it should be merged into Elian Gonzalez affair.

Additionally, this article was recently speedily deleted and subsequently restored, because the speedy delete was procedurally incorrect. talk 11:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep As a political consultant and business leader, the subject of this article has achieved plenty of coverage over the last 30 years. The news sources as old as 1983 and book sources show notability far beyond the Gonzalez affair. It should be noted that the person planning on running for Congress is a different individual - Armando Gutierrez, Jr. (b. September 11, 1981) - this person's son. The son may or may not be notable for the reasons stated by the proposer, but this is an article about the father. I have tagged for rescue, and will work on sourcing, but there are a lot of paywalls in the news search.  Jim Miller  See me 15:05, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - The google news link you provided above proves that this individual is notable only in a local context, apart from his involvement in the Elian Gonzalez affair. There is a baseline of a few articles a year which mention his name (all local articles in the context of Miami) from 1982 to 2000.  Then, there is a huge spike in 2000-2001.  Then, from 2002 on the articles are back down to their baseline of a few a year, and all are about Miami-related events.  This person is only locally notable, with the exception of one event (WP:BLP1E). Per WP:BLP1E: "Merely being in the news does not imply someone should be the subject of an encyclopedia entry. If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having an article on them."     talk 15:14, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Additionally, per your own admission (below), there are multiple people named Armando Gutierrez that have showed up in the news at one point or another. Therefore, we cannot simply attribute all of the google books and google news hits to this particular Armando Gutierrez. For instance, I randomly chose news articles from 2006-2007, and none of the first 10 articles that came up were about this Armando Gutierrez.    talk 15:30, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * delete - Still non-notable. But he's using he's spotlight in the Elian case for self-promotion, and may become well-known later. But for know, his article is just serving his self-promotion. --Damiens .rf 22:26, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * What self-promotion? I have found four different people of this name, all of whom have some level of notability. Are you confusing this subject (the highly notable Miami-Dade political consultant) with his son (who is running for Congress in Orlando)? I agree that the son may become notable either through the congressional race, or he will if he wins. I don't see how the father's article is serving as promotion for the son. I actually hadn't heard of any of them before the DRV, but the news coverage seems to indicate that the father is easily notable on his own. I will probably also start another article on the academic who served as Jesse Jackson's spokesman and accompanied him to meet Castro, becuase that is another notable person by the same name.  Jim Miller  See me 15:08, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Where are you getting the information that he is a "highly notable political consultant"? The WP article doesn't even mention that he is a political consultant.  It just says "he got involved in politics."  Was he ever a political consultant for a high-profile political candidate which would clearly establish his notability (like a governor, senator, congressman, president)?  Even if you're an elected official, you're not notable enough for a WP article unless you're a mayor or better (WP:POLITICIAN).  So, how notable must one of a politician's advisors or a member of a candidate's campaign team be to deserve an article?  I still have yet to see his involvement in any event (apart from Elian Gonzalez) that is clearly notable.    talk 15:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I just added information about an event earlier this year regarding a news story and retraction that sources his being called just that. I also noted that in just about every news story he is attached as a fundraiser, cosultant, or spokesman for a candidate. I will source every campaign he has worked on that is noted in those news articles, and the sum-total of this easily passes the WP:GNG. I have also not yet written into the article the information from this page one day-in-the-life profile that was done on him in 1987 - long before the Gonzalez events.  Jim Miller  See me 15:43, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Clarification: the news story you just added to the article describes how a newspaper ran an article about a completely different Armando Gutierrez, and mistakenly attributed it to this Armando Gutierrez. That says nothing about the notability of this Armando Gutierrez.  Please do as you suggested above and add the sources for every campaign he has worked on, as that would certainly go a lot further towards establishing notability than mistaken-identity newspaper retractions. (This discussion also continues on Talk:Armando Gutierrez.)
 * Furthermore, your day-in-the-life article (from a  local  Tampa Bay newspaper) doesn't tell us much about why Gutierrez is notable. I read the whole thing and here's what I learned: he likes strong coffee, he drives a Mercedes, he speaks Spanish, he failed to help a real estate magnate legalize gambling in Florida, and he owns hotels in Miami Beach.    talk 19:16, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Comment This individual is now a candidate for congress in Florida's eighth district. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdsali (talk • contribs) 01:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

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 * False. This candidate's son is now a candidate for congress in Florida (Armando Gutierrez Jr.).  Also note that even if this were true, candidates in an election are not automatically notable unless they win.    talk 13:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  22:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Coffee //  have a cup  //  flagged revs now!  // 11:39, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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 * Keep As Jim has shown, this individual is notable beyond the Elian Gonzalez affair, so WP:BLP1E doesn't apply. He appears to meet WP:BIO, at least from my perspective. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 20:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep BLP1E does not apply to someone with continued coverage in news sources for over 25 years. Article provides some terrific sources as ELs that should be converted to citations.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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