Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armando Vajushi


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 07:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Armando Vajushi

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro leauge. No reason was given for contesting. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:05, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


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 * Delete - fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 15:11, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - its an Albanian superliga player from one of the main clubs from Albania, and has also caps for Young Albania --Vinie007 15:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions.  Vinie007 (talk) 17:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * As there is no sourcing that the Albanian Superliga is fully pro, his appearances in that league do not grant notability under WP:NSPORT, and his youth caps are not relevant to notability either as they are explicitly excluded under NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep As per Vinie. He is one the most talented players in the Albanian Superliga. He is being followed by some strong European teams (as the article says) and is obviously a professional. It is likely that he will move to a fully professional league soon and it is pointless to delete this article and then recreate it after he transfers.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 22:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:NFOOTY as the Albanian league isn't fully-professional, and also fails WP:GNG due to a lack of significant media coverage beyond WP:ROUTINE and WP:NTEMP. All the transfer speculation fails WP:SPECULATION/CRYSTAL. Youth caps do not confer notability. --Jimbo[online] 23:39, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete I think - I can see the points made for keep, but he lacks, as far as I can tell, any hope of making WP:GNG just now. The sources I can find him in all seem to be the usual database type of sources, with the odd article touching on him in a vague form, but generally just a mention or speculation that he may sign for Ajax or a German club. Given that and WP:CRYSTAL we can't keep this, so it's delete. Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:56, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: It actually satisfies NFOOTY. Please check FPL


 * Keep: He is one of the 2-3 best young players of Albania, and he satisfies NFOOTY. --Doktor Plumbi (talk) 20:44, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. If he is so good then it's only a matter of time until he makes his national team debut, right? Argyle 4 Life  talk  07:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Why do you say that he fails GNG? There are dozen on sources on him. --Doktor Plumbi (talk) 12:08, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That might be so but that doesn't make him notable. I'd wager that Rhodri Giggs has more coverage than this guy. Argyle 4 Life  talk  12:55, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That's because he has a famous brother, not because of his soccer skills (the league he plays in is 8th in the British pyramid of leagues). So he would qualify for a redirect to his own famous brother and his article would be deleted. Armando Vajushi has GNG because of his soccer skills, not because of a famous brother (in fact his other teammate, who play better than him, don't enjoy this notoriety). If we delete this, the article writer of Vajushi will have to start it from scratch once that Vajushi will play for Hajduk or some other team that participates in a "professional" league. And that will happen if the editor is not already fed up with wikipedia and its (sometimes) illogical and contradictory rules, which we all should strive to improve. There is a discussion ongoing currently on the matter (see here (permanent link)--Doktor Plumbi (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No-one will have to start the article again - it can simply be restored as it is at the moment if he ever makes the grade. Number   5  7  14:19, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * My apologies for giving earlier the wrong reason: He satisfies NFOOTY so should be kept. --Doktor Plumbi (talk) 13:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete due to WP:NFOOTBALL failure. The youth caps are irrelevant - it was established long ago that only Olympic or full international caps confer notability on players. Most of the keep votes seem to be along the lines of "he will be a great player". Well, let's wait and see - the article can be restored in an instant if he does become so. Number   5  7  09:06, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment please check WP:FPL because Albania is on the list --Vinie007 06:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Request - I'm sorry, but you couldn't be a dear and link to a half decent translation of any of the refs you added to support your diffs at WP:FPL that the Albanian league is fully pro could you? It'd be really helpful as I'm finding that google trans doesn't do the best job on Albanian articles! Ta v much. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:40, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Answer request: The statute enters in p4 a definition of the league: “Liga” do të nënkuptojë kombinim ose grup klubesh brenda territorit të FSHF-së, e cila varet dhe është nën autoritetin e FSHF-së. Translation: The "League" will stay for a combination of clubs within the territory of FSHF, which is under the authority of FSHF. This link brings to the table that the league is existing and has been around for a while, the first paragraph asserts that the meeting of the league failed to realize its objectives because the presidents didn't reach any concrete decision. You can deduct that the league is ongoing from the second paragraph Mbledhja është ndërprerë disa herë, pasi debatet kanë qenë mjaft të zjarrta mes presidentëve dhe kreut të Ligës Profesionste, Koço Kokëdhima. Presidenti i Vllaznisë, Valter Fushaj, i pakënaqur për punën e deritanishme në krye të Ligës Profesioniste, kërkoi shkarkimin e kryetarit të Ligës, Koço Kokëdhima. Translation: The reunion was interrupted several times because debates between the presidents and the chief of the 'Professional League, Koco Kokedhima were very heated. President of Vllaznia, Valter Fushaj, unhappy with the work of the League asked for the resignations of the president, Koco Kokedhima. From the following paragraphs you can also deduct that the league has been around for a while. --Doktor Plumbi (talk) 19:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. The fact that this discussion is getting sidetracked into discussion of sources about the status of the Albanian league rather than of sources about the subject shows the bankruptcy of the WP:FOOTYN guideline. Editors are demanding that proof be provided of this league's "fully professional" status, when even England's Premier League is not fully professional (e.g. when Wayne Rooney made his debut he was a youth trainee on £80 per week, well below the prevailing minimum wage). Let's focus on the player rather than the league. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:22, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Per WP:FPL, the Albanian Superliga seems to be a fully professional league and Vajushi seems to have played in the Albanian Superliga, so I don't understand why he fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Unless the list in WP:FPL is incorrect, this seems appropriate to keep. Rlendog (talk) 15:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Now I see that Albanian Superliga was recently added to WP:FPL, so I suppose that is why there is controversy here. Although the translation above seems to support the league's professionalness. Rlendog (talk) 15:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
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