Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armenia in the Achaemenid and Hellenistic periods


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Star  Mississippi  15:43, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Armenia in the Achaemenid and Hellenistic periods

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For many of the same reasons I detailed at WP:AFD/Armenia in the Late Bronze and Early Iron Ages, this article is unsuitable.
 * 1.) The article is largely unreferenced. A total of three inline citations are present, with multiple sections going unreferenced altogether.
 * 2.) The references do not appear to have segmented Armenian history into this periodization nor have affixed this particular title to the period which the article covers. It is possible that Simonyan source does utilize this periodization but, when considering its production and dissemination by the Armenian government against the more rigorous histories available, the Simonyan source may have neutrality issues.
 * 3.) Speaking of neutrality issues, we tend to stray away from describing people as "ruler of the East, king of kings" in WikiVoice.
 * 4.) Unusually, this article has hyphens or spaces in the middle of words ("es- tablishment", "cam- el", "influ- ence") that, at least to me, indicate the copy-and-pasting of a PDF or similar document format occurred somewhere in this article's creation. This does not necessarily indicate a copyright violation–it could be a private essay, which would explain the style in which this article was written.

Overall, this period of Armenian history should be covered on Wikipedia, but sources do not seem to support its coverage in this particular periodization and the sources do not seem to support much of the content present. Ultimately, it comes across as a non-neutral and wholly non-comprehensive account. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:49, 18 July 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti*Let's talk!* 13:24, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Archaeology and Armenia. Pbritti (talk) 17:49, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep and improve- It would take a lot of work, but I think some content is salvageable and the article can definitely be improved to address the valid concerns above. It'll just take time and some work, but its not impossible. Archives908 (talk) 12:48, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have any references that suggest this periodization is generally regarded as appropriate in academic literature? ~ Pbritti (talk) 13:57, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per Pbritti's well considered analysis. We have much better, more detailed coverage elsewhere:
 * History of Armenia
 * Ancient Armenia
 * Satrapy of Armenia - the "Achaemenid" period under Persian rule
 * Origin of the Armenians
 * Orontid dynasty
 * After Alexander the Great destroyed the Persian Empire, the Orontids ruled an independent Kingdom of Armenia for a few years. They then ruled the Hellenistic kingdoms of
 * Commagene
 * Sophene
 * The Kingdom of Armenia itself
 * Our Kingdom of Armenia (antiquity) article includes the remainder of the Hellenistic period when Armenia was in the Seleucid Empire's sphere of influence.
 * The Artaxiads kicked out the Orontids during this time and until the Romans moved in.
 * These are all long, richly referenced and well-written articles. In total, they cover this period with perhaps 10 times the coverage. The article we're discussing is not even a content fork -- it's just its own parallel island of unreliable stuff.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 15:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per . This period has been covered through other articles on Wikipedia. It is strange to have an article that repeats these two periods and merge them into one per se. --TheLonelyPather (talk) 16:07, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Pbritti. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.