Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armenia in the Late Bronze and Early Iron Ages


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 05:56, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Armenia in the Late Bronze and Early Iron Ages

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This article has been draftified on two occasions, initially for a lack of any sourcing. After its most recent draftification, it was moved back to the draft space by citing WP:DRAFTOBJECT. While DRAFTOBJECT is not a policy or guideline, this discussion is likely a more productive solution.

The article is most likely a sockpuppet or meatpuppet work with neutrality issues. The article here is largely without references, and the two given are cited in an unusual way. The first, an article on the genetic composition in Armenia during this period, is solely used to support a passage on statuary. This academic reference, despite being three years old, appears to have never been referenced by any other academic literature, raising doubts as to its reliability independent of its likely erroneous use here. The second is not used to verify any content in the article, but does indicate the nature of this article: it is a book produced by the Armenia government and disseminated internationally for audiences to discover certain layers of the Armenian history and culture–raising doubts regarding its neutrality. The article itself is otherwise completely unreferenced.

As to the question of sock/meatpuppetry: this article was created by who first created it on  in the mainspace. Previously, the same editor made their first edit on –creating their sandbox with the contents of Draft:Armenia in the Neolithic and Chalcolithic periods. Antonio Skywalker did not create that Neolithic draft, but did, also on. Օֆելյա Հակոբյան had previously edited edited Antonio Skywalker's sandbox on, prior to the latter making any mainspace contributions. The same day what is now the Neolithic and Bronze Age drafts were created in the mainspace by both editors, Օֆելյա Հակոբյան created Armenia in the Achaemenid and Hellenistic periods, Draft:Armenia in the Middle Bronze Age, and Draft:Armenia in the Early Bronze Age. Each of these articles similarly uses the government book as a source and are otherwise largely unreferenced.

In short, this appears to be a sock or meat operation to publish unreferenced articles on large swathes of history regarding one of the most heavily disputed subject matters. Until sourcing can be added, all of the mainspace articles mentioned should be moved into the draftspace. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:23, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Archaeology and Armenia. Pbritti (talk) 19:23, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:29, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment by nominator: I have opened a sockpuppet investigation here. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete These historical ages are covered on the article for Armenia. If there is more to be added it should be added there. This reads like a student essay and meets none of the requirements of an encyclopedia article. Lamona (talk) 17:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The source cited inline does not support the claim referencing it. The general reference published under government auspices, while it probably does have neutrality issues, this article uses it mostly to discuss archaeology, and the only truly contentious thing that pops out at a non-expert like me is the stuff about ethnic groups in the lead. I feel this reads more like popular literature than a student essay. Student essays cite sources, right? I don't think we have much of a reason to mistrust the government published popular work for its coverage of archaeological topics, but the way the random citation to a genetic study was thrown haphazardly into the middle of an unrelated paragraph makes me mistrust the article author. Folly Mox (talk) 05:05, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete - There are existing articles Prehistoric_Armenia and Urartu for this topic. Perhaps it would be best if those articles were enhanced by material in this one. (However, I do not think the article should be deleted for the sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry alleged by the OP: if the article is kept, it should be marked as requiring citations. And if there is contentious material, the text can be made to reflect that. )Rick Jelliffe (talk) 14:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.