Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armenian Forgeries


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete as copyright violation and blatantly non-neutral. All of the text is in fact directly copied, word for word, from works written by Erich Feigl, whose published work is one of several points of view on this subject, and the accuracy of which is quite strongly disputed. Clearly that isn't a suitable way to write a neutral encyclopaedia, even if it weren't a copyright violation. The web site, noted below, is in fact also the work of Feigl, as it says right at the bottom. has made no other article edits than to copy text written by Feigl here, too, and is even dumping Feigl onto talk pages. We don't need this. I've revoked the account's editing privileges, zapped all of the images, uploaded with no copyright or licencing information and indubitably copyright violations just as the prose is, and zapped the article.

Copyright policy is non-negotiable, and editors who do not abide by it will lose their editing privileges, for the protection of the project. Neutral point of view is non-negotiable, too. They are both Foundation issues. I caution both Arsenic99 and Cliobella to familiarize themselves with this project's, and indeed all Wikimedia Foundation projects', fundamental, non-negotiable, policies.

Uncle G (talk) 23:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Armenian Forgeries

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This page appears to be a POV fork of the article Armenian genocide. It is little more than an attack page. The prod tag was removed. Karanacs (talk) 16:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Definitely seems very propaganda-like. Jauerback (talk) 16:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - extreme POV throughout. Reads like a propaganda essay, not an encyclopedia article. Unsalvageable. Doc Sigma  wait, what? 17:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. Clear NPOV violation. Also, I can't think of a way to improve the article such that it would not violate NPOV or POVFORK.  I would say that anything worthwhile would belong in Armenian genocide, if it could survive the editorial process there. RJC Talk 18:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I tagged it as copy-vio. Copy-pasted from here and here. VartanM (talk) 18:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Copy-vio, propaganda.--Folantin (talk) 20:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - While the article does need extensive improvement it is important to note that there are indeed forgeries fabricated by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation party of the Armenian Diaspora that has invented quotes from Hitler, used pictures not relating to the Armenian genocide to evoke reader emotions, and forged Ottoman documents that had incorrect date codes as well as simple logical errors, one such example is the Talaat Pasha telegram that Armenians attribute as the 'smoking gun' to the Armenian genocide theory. However, it is written from Syria (a country of a large Armenian community) on the date that Talaat Pasha was in Istanbul, and the date was wrong and language was written crudely. It's important to note the difference of what proves a genocide and what doesn't otherwise anyone can fabricate a genocide after losing a war with forgeries. I would also like to add that the article is indeed a similar copy to another site, hence it should be REVISED extensively to fit Wikipedia standards and to not violate any possible copyright laws. I don't mind helping to improve it. Arsenic99 (talk) 21:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article definitely needs cleanup. The copyright violating issues can be resolved without changing the main idea, therefore they are no reason for deletion. The POV situation should be remedied by adding information and citing sources that deny the forgeries. The article does not classify as propaganda, it contains information about forgeries made by Armenians. These forgeries can also appear on the Armenian Genocide page as part of the debate. (Cliobella (talk) 22:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC))


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.