Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armenians in Nicaragua


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:28, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Armenians in Nicaragua

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Article is entirely mostly unsourced. Cannot find any non-trivial coverage of this population in reliable sources in English or Spanish: Thanks, cab (talk) 00:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Trivial coverage has been added, like an article about how an Armenian charity in Los Angeles sent goods to Nicaragua, or a self-published essay about Armenians in Central America which mentions Nicaragua in a few sentences and estimates there's 300 Armenians there. The main point of my nomination stands. cab (talk) 01:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions.  cab (talk) 00:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions.  cab (talk) 00:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I did a quick search and added the few sources I could find. There doesn't seem to be much to say except that they exist. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Oh, egad. Another Fooian Barian article of a tiny immigrant group from one country living in another, with no particular note except that they exist. Ray  Talk 02:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I haven't looked at the article yet, but I'm going to predict that this article includes an infobox stating that the Spanish name for their ethnic group is "nicaraguenses armenios", that the languages they speak are Spanish and Armenian, that their primary religions are Armenian Orthodox and Catholic, and that they are found primarily in Managua. Let's see if I'm right. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I got two out of four guesses right (the article lacks the phrase "nicaraguenses armenios" and I didn't guess all the religions mentioned). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Well it is sourced, but I wonder if it would be possible to merge this into a bigger article about minorities in Nicaragua. - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 03:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge to an appropriate article: no sources on a group that makes up 0.05% of the Nicaraguan population. &mdash; DroEsperanto (talk) 08:30, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as there is no evidence that this is a notable community per Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Looks good to me. How would deleting this article make the encyclopedia better? It's a tightly written article that provides good context for the Armenian population in Nicaragua. Perfectly notable. A merge would be okay too. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:10, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - perfectly good stub that needs expanding and more sources, but not deletion. Bearian (talk) 18:47, 19 September 2009 (UTC) P.S., POV check: Despite my user name, I am not Armenian. Bearian (talk) 18:51, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And what "more sources" do you propose that we use to expand the article, given that no one has bothered demonstrate that any such sources exist? cab (talk) 02:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. 2,907 people is enough to make this group notable. A village with population of 2,907 would be notable, so I think a population group is as well. In any case, this info absolutely should be somewhere in Wikipedia. The Armenian diaspora is notable, and every country should be covered. Possibly merge this into another article if an approriate target is found. But for now, keep. Offliner (talk) 09:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Why should "every country" be covered, as opposed to merely the ones where the diaspora population has actually been covered non-trivially by secondary sources? 3,000 numbers is not particularly big for a diaspora population anyway, and per WP:BIGNUMBER numbers are not what makes for notability anyway: sources do. The population number is already at Armenians per country. The article has no real content besides that number. cab (talk) 09:31, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The article currently does not have much info, but it can easily be expanded. The subject matter is such that academic sources almost certainly exist, it is only a matter of finding them. Offliner (talk) 10:13, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The subject matter is such that academic sources almost certainly exist. I see no reason to assume this if such sources aren't locatable in Google Books, WorldCat, or other such databases. At minimum if the topic were notable you'd see a hint of a citation to some paper about them in a bibliography somewhere. But no, there's nothing at all. Compare that to other small populations you might expect to be equally obscure, like Koreans in Mongolia or Chinese people in Senegal or Greeks in Poland, and in fact simple internet searches reveal a wealth of sources. The simple fact is that not every diaspora population on earth has been written about in non-trivial fashion --- some small ones have been and some big ones haven't been. Sociologists and anthropologists and journalists have a limited amount of time and space in which to cover such topics. cab (talk) 10:35, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with cab. The size of the population isn't the issue; coverage in reliable sources is. The 2,907 isn't even referenced as far as I can tell. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, this source, listed as an external link, estimates the population at 300. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:36, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.