Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armita Abbasi (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. I think there is a consensus to Keep this article plus there is a lack of a policy-grounded deletion rationale for why this article merits deletion. I hope to not see this article nominated for a third round at AFD for at least a year. Liz Read! Talk! 04:45, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Armita Abbasi
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One of hundreds of Iranian citizens who have been detained and abused in custody by Iranian security forces during the Mahsa Amini protests. Most of them receive passing mentions, initial bursts of coverage, and attention in local sources. Only a handful of them receive substantial coverage over a period of time, or have a significant, tangible impact. As tragic as Abbasi's detention, abuse, and alleged death may be, I cannot see how she is not one of the aforementioned handful. Mooonswimmer 05:04, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Armita Abbasi is not dead!!! T>he Article is absolute valid! 2A02:8071:2B82:84A0:F93C:F4C6:17A5:7A45 (talk) 08:20, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Crime,  and Iran.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:23, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment there are some serious WP:BLP-relevant issues in this article and I have posted a notice to the WP:BLPN about this. CT55555 (talk) 15:55, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. 162 etc. (talk) 18:23, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Saying that her case is not notable is similar to saying that the mistreatment and death of George Floyd or shooting of Sandra Bland are not notable because so many others have had a similar story and caused outrage for a while without resulting in tangible impact. These kinds of stories become actionable and impactful precisely when the name of the victims are well known and what happened to them can be corroborated by witnesses and verified by journalists, and something about the victim touches people.
 * Armita Abbasi's case is relevant, because both her image and her name are known, and because some of the details of what has happened to her have been corroborated by multiple credible witnesses who have risked their lives to offer proof of who they are and how they know what they know, making it possible for credible reporters to verify the information.
 * Armita is also relevant and significant because she represents an unknown number of others in a similar situation whose stories are not known or cannot be verified. Her first name and image has become shorthand for protesters that have been repeatedly raped (and for those whose whereabouts are unknown) in video tributes, Youtube reaction videos, vlogs, and articles.
 * Her case is relevant because it documents one of the patterns of events that have been rumored to happen in Iran not just with the current imprisoned protesters, but also prisoners from past protests.
 * She is relevant because, before hearing about her people like me didn't know that this was one of the possibilities for prisoners in Iran, and no credible reporter can inform anyone about people suffering a similar fate if they cannot point to a verifiable case. 104.35.149.100 (talk) 23:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: Meets WP:GNG. Why is this being 2nd nominated, just days after the 1st nomination decision? She is notable and has significant coverage because she a symbol of the Iranian protests. The WP article needs clean up and AFD is not a substitute for a clean up process. Can you give us more specific reasons for this nomination? As a topic she has lot of reliable sources in many languages (see the Persian language article, the prior AFD nomination, and search for her name in Persian, if still in doubt). PigeonChickenFish (talk) 00:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG - I noted in the recent AfD : e.g. significant international coverage in How Iran's security forces use rape to quell protests (CNN, Nov. 21, 2022), Sexuelle Gewalt unter dem Mullah-Regime (Taz, Nov. 25, 2022), (and not WP:BLP1E due to the significance), Iran anti-hijab activist missing for 10 days, family fear ‘abduction, rape, torture’ by authorities (FirstPost, Oct. 31, 2022). Since then, there is additional coverage, e.g. Polizisten vergewaltigten Armita Abbasi – Klinik sollte es vertuschen (L'essentiel, Dec. 29, 2022), جوان در اعتصاب غذا؛ مادر آرمیتا عباسی: ۸۲ روز گذشت، به پرونده‌اش رسیدگی کنید (VOA, Jan. 2023, Google translate of lede: "Armita Abbasi's mother, 82 days after the arrest of this young protester, in an open letter criticizing the indifference of the judicial authorities and refusing to accept the selected lawyer, demanded that her daughter's case be investigated"). The ongoing coverage of her individual case and the significance of her case in ongoing international coverage appears to support the enduring notability of this subject. Beccaynr (talk) 17:27, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Significant amount of coverage available per the above analaysis.   scope_creep Talk  19:54, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Currently there are 25 citations spanning over 3 months of time, and the press coverage includes international sources, including CNN, The Jerusalem Post, Voice of America, Die Tageszeitung (Taz), Der Spiegel, Yahoo News Taiwan, L'essentiel, IranWire, Die Zeit, Süddeutsche Zeitung, and BBC Persian. Only Iranian-sponsored news sources appear to be stating this is not important or newsworthy, such as Nasim News/IRIB Nasim, and Jam-e Jam (newspaper). PigeonChickenFish (talk) 22:15, 3 January 2023 (UTC)


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