Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Army Committees


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep with no prejudice towards renaming and/or merging it. I don't quite find a merge consensus from these participants, though there might be if editors of merge targets participated. An editor can BOLDLY attempt a rename or participate in a formal move discussion. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:47, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Army Committees

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The article does not meet WP:GNG for a stand alone article. Content should be trimmed/ce and merged into Petrograd Soviet of Workers' and Soldiers' Deputies  // Timothy ::  talk  04:23, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy ::  talk  04:23, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy ::  talk  04:23, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy ::  talk  04:23, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Strictly speaking the merge-versus-rename debate should happen on the talk page, but since there's already substantial engagement here, it seems a shame to waste that effort. Relisting to allow further discussion of this question.
 * Merge per my above nom.  // Timothy ::  talk  04:26, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Also currently at an impossibly generic title, and if kept, will need to be moved. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:22, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and move to Soldiers' Committees to cover the entire area of 'committees' in the Russian Imperial Army beyond just the field army-level version. The committees were distinct organizations from the Petrograd Soviet and an important factor in the disintegration of the Russian Imperial Army during the Revolution. For example, Allan K. Wildman devotes an entire chapter to them in The End of the Russian Imperial Army and there is much discussion in Reese, The Russian Imperial Army, 1796-1917. There are also articles mentioning them, for example, Werth, Russia 1917: The Soldiers' Revolution. As can be seen from the Russian wikipedia article, there were also at least two books written about them by Soviet historians. The level of English-language academic treatment of these committees shows that they are independently notable. Kges1901 (talk) 12:22, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as above. Rename to Soldiers' committees (Russian Revolution). Too generic otherwise and not a proper name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:37, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge. I agree with nom that's not enough here for a stand-alone article.  Since the events here are confined within the scope of the Russian Army and within 1917, another merge target might be Russian Army (1917).  Also agree that the title is too generic and if kept should be "Soldiers' Committees (1917)" or something else more specific.  --Lockley (talk) 23:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I do think the scope should be expanded perhaps Soldiers' and Sailors' committees (Russian Revolution) or Revolutionary committees in the Russian military (1917). I did some more looking and found this Military Revolutionary Committee (name is still too generic). The article Russian Army (1917) also opens up some interesting possibilities. (I withdrew my merge target suggestion above because better options have been metioned)  // Timothy ::  talk  23:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to Soldiers' committees and alter the article to match. This term is used in two of the sources cited.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 18:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:25, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename, per Necrothesp. There are already article with a similar scope in other, arguably less-notable, historical contexts, eg Workers' Councils in Poland. —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * (varying from vote above) Rename, per Necrothesp. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:16, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge and rename. I think this is the consensus here, the question is what name? One other item for the merge discussion would be, since these committees often included soldiers and sailors, should the scope be expanded to include sailors? (I can see both sides of this argument).  // Timothy ::  talk  17:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


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