Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arnaud Courlet de Vregille


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The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:05, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Arnaud Courlet de Vregille

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Totally non-notable painter. Searched English and French language sources, and found nothing indicating this painter has any notability at all. Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 15:33, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Could someone who speaks the language verify if the references listed on the french article are substantial enough to show notability?
 * Well none of the references are linked, so I can't examine them directly, but it doesn't look likely. The strongest claim to notability in the fr. article is that he was part of an exhibition, but it's not a major one.  The "Sources" section lists exposition catalogs (which are almost never used to show notability), regional press, and 3 TV appearances.  Without the actual sources, I can't say for sure, but it doesn't look like the .fr article would pass the GNG or WP:CREATIVE if it were translated here.   Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 19:56, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 18:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment Both the English and French articles show a certain focus from the contributing editor(s). The present English language article makes no real attempt to demonstrate notability, merely distant genealogy; and there does seem to be some attempt in the French article to gain notability by association (for example the section about the Eden Théâtre being renovated for 2013 European City of Culture beanfeast). But the key questions are whether the listed awards and exhibitions amount to anything more than run-of-the-mill appearance in group shows etc., and whether the publications quoted are notable (as there are any number of Who's Who type publications)? AllyD (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - France télévision Arnaud Courlet de Vregille peintre reportage, interviewed 3x on French TV over 5 years. Indicates some sort of minor notability in France. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:36, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Is there really enough evidence of the notability of these TV programmes? There is no indication of channel: was it national/local? There is no indication of the level of the subject's participation (note that the first two are about artists plural). These could just be passing glimpes/voxpop of the subject as one of several/many. AllyD (talk) 22:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep per WP:ARTIST #4.b "has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition". The exhibitions are listed in the French Wikipedia some verifiable through catalogs (primary but suitable for verification purposes on something like this). Most of this artist's career happened before material was regularly put online so it would require access to offline french sources which I don't believe anyone at AfD will be able to provide. Based on the available evidence we do have, and assuming good faith the French Wikipedia information is not an outright lie (see no evidence for it) I think it would do more harm than good to delete this artist. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 17:13, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, the exhibitions cited in the .fr article do not appear to be at all significant. One of his paintings was bought by the French government and hung in a city administrative office. Most of the "exhibitions" are at small or regional shows, or in commercial galleries and artist's co-ops.  My French is only fair to middling, so I might have missed something, and not every exhibition listed on the .fr site showed up in Google (and I tried French Google searches too), but there's nothing at all so far that I have seen that indicates he meets any of the notability guidelines for this Wikipedia.  It's worth noting that having an article on the .fr Wikipedia isn't an indication of passing the notability guidelines of en.wikipedia; I have no idea what the inclusion guidelines are at fr.  Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 15:23, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * My French is also middling, as is my experience with the French art world and galleries, so it would be a good idea to err on the side of caution and not cause damage by deleting a possibly notable artist, which seems quite plausible given multiple lines of evidence. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 16:35, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep There's sufficient information, and I am not willing to delete an article about a French artist with an article in the frWP,, unless there is some indication the article is promotional or inappropriate--and that will be quite rare, because they have at least as high standards in such matters as the enWP does, and in my opinion, apply them more consistently.  DGG ( talk ) 01:36, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
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