Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arnold & Mr. Fish


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. -- Steel 23:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Arnold & Mr. Fish
Contested Prod. New webcomic that hasn't even appeared yet. Search of google returns only four posts in thewebcomiclist.com forum. At this point, practically unknown. Wikipedia is not for promoting new ventures. -- Fan-1967 02:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

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 * Excuse me, but those pages happen to total over 1,000 hits. This webcomic is highly anticipated, and a website is being developed. There is no reason to delete this article, for this webcomic will be released on its own domain in less than 20 days. This article is being finished tonight, complete with pictures, and will be professional. I have no idea why you would delete a professional article, when little 11-year old girls are making unprofessional character pages for their favorite shows/movies. Your deletion is a personal vendetta, and I know you're the one from the talk page. Good day. Oh yeah, and your Google search is unrealible, since you included quotes. I deleted the link for you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmurawski (talk • contribs)
 * If you have an alternate search to propose, feel free to do so. Do not edit other people's posts. Blanking this discussion will accomplish nothing. All edits are visible and reversible. Fan-1967 02:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete - We have little 14-year old boys making professional articles about their favourite webcomic too. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, or webcomic advertising board. - Hahnch  e  n 02:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * My god. You are ruthless animals. Quit doing this. I'm trying to write a professional article here. I'm reporting this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmurawski (talk • contribs)
 * I suggest you write the professional article at comixpedia.org and then transfer it over if it ever attains anything close to WP:WEB. Or possibly save it in your userspace. - Hahnch  e  n 02:26, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You are just a lonely old man who has nothing better to do than delete articles because they aren't "fit" enough. You're causing me to have a nervous breakdown. If you try to delete my article, which revolves around a featured webcomic with 1,000 hits, I WILL report you. And if this message does not show up, I am going to go insane. Quit. Deleting. Other. People's. Hard. Work. -User:Dmurawski
 * Comment I will not delete anything. After five days, an administrator will review the discussion to determine the consensus of the community. You can read about the process at Articles for Deletion. -- Fan-1967 02:36, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete. Come on, it doesn't even exist yet.  If it lasts some months and gains a following, then it gets a WP article.  VT hawkeye talk to me 02:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Then it gets a WP article? Does Britney Spears's fifth studio album have a right to have an article? It isn't even confirmed other than in interviews. No press releases. Do I have one? Yes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmurawski (talk • contribs).
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 * Delete Non-notable webcomic that fails WP:WEB. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. This means it reports on subjects that have already achieved mainstream acceptance. We do not make editorial decisions on what is significant, we rely on other reliable sources to do that and report on their decisions. When your webcomic has made a significant impact that has been reported by independent sources we will be happy to include an article on it. Until then, I'm afraid Wikipedia is not going to cover it. Thanks, Gwernol 03:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Come back when your comic achieves notability. You can always recreate it then, with proper verifiable references about what a success it has been, and a more positive attitude towards our policies and to common civility, I hope. Good luck, but this is not the place to advertise it meantime. --Guinnog 03:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "Ugh." I swear you people don't listen. I already told you, ONE THOUSAND PEOPLE have voted on it, 75% approving it, and wanting to see more. Among webcomics, it can't get more mainstream. You are all personally attacking me, and I wish you nothing but the worst for being so very, very cruel. Please, whoever decides whether to delete my article, look at its quality and over-one-thousand-people fan base. Thank you, very much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmurawski (talk • contribs).
 * Delete without a comment, as that would be akin to kicking over a dead rabbit. Danny Lilithborne 03:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment&mdash;I just read your article; you write rather well for an early article and will make a solid editor. I'm sure it feels personal (my first deleted article felt that way too), but it is almost assuredly not&mdash;I don't yet know you & I’d doubt the others who commented here do either. We did indeed understand your assertion that "ONE THOUSAND PEOPLE have voted on it, 75% approving it, and wanting to see more;" but you do not provide a link or other reference, so it is hard to verify  & Wikipedia policy requires verifiability. Since this is an encyclopedia, not a promotional medium, we do guard carefully against folks who use it for advertisements. Please read WP:WEB and adjust the article if you can to meet the criteria there. Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 03:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldn't provide a reference, as the website's server is down as of now, and I can't reach the URL.
 * Delete per nom. What does it mean for 75% of respondents to "approve" a comic that they haven't even seen? We need more reliable sources than that. See also this thread for a poll in which this comic did not fare as well. --Metropolitan90 04:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. I realize you're close to the article's subject.  But the opinions expressed of the above editors are not personal.  If you really want to report people (but for what exactly?), you can open up an WP:RFC.  But, you need to show that they're violating policy (read WP:POLICY), you need to show that they have failed to see your side of the story, and you need to show that another person has done the same thing of them.  And by threatening to report for deleting your article, and calling other people names, you yourself might not be WP:CIVIL.  Now.  We have a policy for webcomics and other web content on Wikipedia.  It's called WP:WEB.  Please take a bit of time to read it over (also read WP:V and WP:RS, they determine what type of sources are needed to fact-check an article).  Please also note that as editors, we have no power to delete an article; only administrators have this power.  AfDs stay up for at least five days.  That's plenty of time to make your case.  ColourBurst 05:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * ... and administrators are just editors, too. (Well, I am, at least.  &#9786;) Uncle G 12:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete being an unreleased, non-notable webcomic. A random web poll is not a reliable source, the comic fails WP:WEB's guidelines for notability, and Wikipedia is not a soapbox on which to promote your creations. NeoChaosX [ talk | contribs ] 05:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete. Encise 05:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)Encise
 * Delete. per nom Mr Stephen 09:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete. Non-notable vainity page. illspirit|talk 12:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Googling for "Arnold & Mr. Fish" gets zero results. Trying "Arnold and Mr. Fish" gets one - a forum post by the article creator with four replies. Totally non-notable. illspirit|talk 13:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: Mr. Murawski thinks highly enough of his upcoming strip to add it to the general webcomic entry. Brokenlibrarian 17:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.