Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arnold Buttigieg


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The result was   Delete. لenna vecia  19:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Arnold Buttigieg

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Footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never played in a fully-professional league or competition. Also fails WP:N. --Jimbo[online] 11:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC) I am also nominating the following football players for the same reasons; --Jimbo[online] 12:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Marcelo Pereira
 * Trevor Templeman
 * Clive Brincat‎
 * Dylan Kokavessis
 * Chris Camilleri (footballer)
 * Renato Conceição‎
 * Christian Cassar‎
 * Mark Barbara
 * Orosco Anonam - has played internationally for Malta
 * Shawn Tellus
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 12:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, non-notable players. Also, don't forget to put AfD notices on the articles of the 'also nominated' players! GiantSnowman 12:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. --Jimbo[online] 12:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The Maltese league is not fully professional, so all players fail WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  12:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 13:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 13:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment On the other hand, Marsaxlokk FC plays the Maltese Premier League (the champion in 2006-7). Maltese league is semi-professional, but where did you find, that Marsaxlokk FC is an amateur club? According to this site the club is professional. I consider it unfair to nominate tens of Maltese articles just because the clubs are not fully professional. We have thousands of very similar articles about European footballers, and the only difference is, that they have professional contracts. Otherwise they play at the same level. Maltese clubs also compete in European cups, so everything is the same (or very similar). Why should they be excluded?? Because of one word in the WP:ATHLETE criteria? In that case the system is imperfect. --Vejvančický (talk) 14:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do with their contracts or club they play for. WP:ATHLETE has ruled out players who've played for clubs 10 times the size of these Maltese clubs because they have not played in fully-professional leagues. Hardly unfair nominating an article because it fails a very basic criteria. --Jimbo[online] 15:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I totally disagree, I think most of these have been nominated unfairly, how the article Orosco Anonam came up for question I will never know, the majority of these players listed for deletion have played in European competitions, surely that makes them qualify to be saved, I also found the articles for Pierre Aquilina, Michael Galea and Jean Pierre Mifsud Triganza up for deletion and again all have played international football for Malta. Stew jones (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I also thought it maybe useful to mention an article that was up for deletion not so long ago, eventually after discussion, the result was that it should kept, primarily down to the fact that this article was about a coach who won the Maltese Premier League title with Valletta and not a great deal more, see for yourselves Articles for deletion/Paul Zammit (footballer). Stew jones (talk) 21:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all these subjects fail WP:ATHLETE. --Angelo (talk) 12:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Why do we need to clog up AfD for such articles when the WP:ATHLETE guideline is clear in terms of establishing notability? Eusebeus (talk) 13:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment ok well it looks like everyone has made there mind up on deleting all my hard work, now forgive me, but I was always under the impression that anyone who made an international appearance for their country is noticable enough to warrant an article, so if i am correct, can anyone explain to me why the articles for Michael Galea and Jean Pierre Mifsud Triganza have been deleted off, when Michael Galea has played five times for Malta and Jean Pierre Mifsud Triganza has played once for Malta, and here is the proof http://www.national-football-teams.com/player/4223.html and http://www.national-football-teams.com/player/29540.html Stew jones (talk) 17:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply because the PROD expired, they were nominated because of lack of verifiability. You should have contested the PROD if you disagreed. --Jimbo[online] 08:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply well then big man how about you get them reinstated, you seem to have a lot of power on here, so seen as you have made a massive mistake in nominating them for deletion, you should get them back shouldn't you really Stew jones (talk) 18:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. there's no need for anyone to have any "a lot of power on here" to get these articles restored. I have asked the deleting administrators to restore them, as you could have done. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete any of the players who have not played for the national team or in fully professional leagues. There's no unfairness about this. Malta is too small to sustain a fully professional football league, so any Maltese footballers who cut the notability mustard in club football ply their trade in other countries - I'm not going to look them up now but I believe that a couple have played for Barnsley in the Championship in England, for example, and I'm sure that others have played in other fully professional leagues. I also don't see anyone disagreeing that any players that have played for the Maltese national team should be considered notable. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment regarding:
 * I deleted it due to expired PROD that asserted "Footballer fails WP:ATHLETE notability as he has never played in a fully-professional league or compeition. Also clearly fails WP:GNG" and nobody bothered to watchlist or complain or provide refutation in over a week. I have restored it temporarily because it's being discussed (consider as part of this bundled AfD rather than routing through a separate DRV discussion). I don't know anything about these clubs and level of play: please explicitly discuss whether this person meets WP:ATHLETE and other relevant criteria so closing admin can decide its fate. DMacks (talk) 20:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I deleted it due to expired PROD that asserted "Footballer fails WP:ATHLETE notability as he has never played in a fully-professional league or compeition. Also clearly fails WP:GNG" and nobody bothered to watchlist or complain or provide refutation in over a week. I have restored it temporarily because it's being discussed (consider as part of this bundled AfD rather than routing through a separate DRV discussion). I don't know anything about these clubs and level of play: please explicitly discuss whether this person meets WP:ATHLETE and other relevant criteria so closing admin can decide its fate. DMacks (talk) 20:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-notable soccer players. --Carioca (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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