Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arnulfo Jose Ramos


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While there's a lot of back and forth here, the editors who are evaluating the available sources seem to have come to the conclusion that they are not sufficient to satisfy the GNG. Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Arnulfo Jose Ramos

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might be on the cusp of notability but isn't there yet. the only sources discussing him in any depth are either primary or unreliable and the passing mentions in Billboard staff written pieces are exactly that, a name drop and nothing truly meaningful or in depth. TAXIDICAE💰 19:52, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "Keep" Before, you nominated this article because it seemed or appeared promotional to you, I left a message on your talk page asking to please let me know how could I fix it or to point out what was it about the article that appeared promotional to you, so that I or other user can fix it. You did not even answer to me. Another user helped me fix the article and the moment it was submitted you immediately tagged it again as promotional when it was really not, you did not even read the article. Now you nominate it for AfD because it MIGHT be on the cusp of notability and you mention some of the sources but not all of them and mention that the Billboard list is just a list without saying what it is that the people on the list have done and why they are there. You haven't mention other sources in there in which he has been featured like Forbes and Telemundo. Another user deleted the promotional tag on the article because it was not candidate for speedy delete and now you nominated it for AfD. Please take a look at Articles for deletion Dominicansinhistory (talk) 00:23, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if you have an issue with my editing, WP:ANI is the place to discuss it. I afd'd it because I don't believe he's notable and it is still spam, so please save the lecture. TAXIDICAE💰  02:57, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I know that you believe that he is not notable but maybe you should take a look at Notability and Notability (people) before I create an article I always look into these two. Sorry for the lecture, I like writing that is why I am here. Dominicansinhistory (talk) 04:03, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I just want to say that I have nothing personal against you or your editing and I hope this is nothing personal for you. I say it because of my user name and all what is going on these days with Dominicans saying they are Latinos and not Black and because of Dominicans stopping protestors from destroying Uptown Manhattan, and all those viral videos. Let Love Rule. Stay Safe. Dominicansinhistory (talk) 04:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment. Seems to be a frequent interview subject, but I am unable to find evidence that his work is notable nor any independent, in depth coverage of him. Billboard covering his naming to their list isn't going to work. Perhaps can provide the three best sources for us to review as there seems to be some reference bombing going on.       StarM 14:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * He was featured and interviewed by Telemundo one of the most recognized Latin TV channels in the US: (https://www.telemundo47.com/entretenimiento/acceso-total/aj-el-kallejero-rompe-barreras-rumbo-al-_xito_tlmd-nueva-york/2980/ ); A secondary source from 2012 : http://www.lamezcla.com/home/aj-el-kallejero-ramos-biography/ ; Another secondary source : https://www.ipauta.com/aj-el-kallejero-llega-por-primera-vez-a-peru/ ; Another one https://adcoloreverywhere.virtualeventsite.com/speakers/aj-el-kallejero-ramos/ . He has been featured on Forbes, MLB, BLOOMBERG, HEADTOPICS and more, Just to talk about Latin Music and other Latin topics. The Billboard lists specifies what is the list and why are those names mentioned, it is just like an award or nomination, in this case this category is not for artists but Music Executives, It clearly states at the beginning Latin Power Players — the executives behind Latin music’s explosive move into the pop music mainstream. It is a topic of great interest to the Latin Communities in the US and Latin America.
 * Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.
 * Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.
 * Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.
 * Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable music sub-culture.
 * Is cited in reliable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching for a particular music genre.
 * Dominicansinhistory (talk) 19:14, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — MarkH21talk 19:19, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, does not meet WP:GNG and none of the five items listed right above appear to apply. The sources mentioned right above are: 1) A daytime television interview on a local Telemundo-owned station which is in the "up-and-coming local famous person" style. The discussion in the interview indicates non-notability if anything. 2) Spam 3) Press release 4) Not independent coverage. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:29, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Anything to say about the other sources? Billboard? (Latin Power Players — the executives behind Latin music’s explosive move into the pop music mainstream.) Forbes would not just called anybody to talk about a topic. What about these points taken from our Notability and Notability (people) Guidelines?

Dominicansinhistory (talk) 23:27, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.
 * Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.
 * Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.
 * Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable music sub-culture.
 * Is cited in reliable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching for a particular music genre.


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