Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arnulfo Valenzuela


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Seventy (LDS Church). Spartaz Humbug! 20:15, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Arnulfo Valenzuela

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Non-notable subject that does not meet WP:BASIC. Coverage found in searches for independent, reliable sources is limited to minor passing mentions, quotations and name checks. The article is entirely reliant on primary sources, which do not serve to establish notability for Wikipedia's purposes. In my WP:BEFORE searches, I did find this source, but it consists mostly of quotations from the subject, provides no biographical information about the subject, and ultimately does not provide enough coverage outside of the quotations to count as significant coverage. Furthermore, per: WP:SPIP: "The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor) have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it—without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to the topic matter." – North America1000 12:08, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 12:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. North America1000 12:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. North America1000 12:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keepsignificant leader in the LDS Church.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:15, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment – There is no guideline or policy that provides presumed notability for Mormon subjects or leaders. Subjects that the LDS church considers to be noteworthy are not automatically notable as per Wikipedia's standards. Multiple, independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage about the subject are needed to qualify notability and an article. Such subjects do not get a free pass for an article without said independent coverage, and personal opinion that a subject is notable by default per being a leader in the LDS church is not backed by any Wikipedia notability guidelines. North America1000 09:54, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Seventy (LDS Church). Given that proposals to exempt LDS leaders from the WP:GNG have consistently failed to achieve consensus support (see examples in 2014, 2016, and 2017), the subject has to be evaluated under WP:GNG. Sources currently in article are not independent under WP:IIS and do not count toward establishing notability. Search does not find WP:SIGCOV in independent reliable sources. At first it looked like there was some coverage in Deseret News, but a closer look showed that it was reprinted from Church News verbatim and therefore not independent. A brief mention in a Salt Lake Tribune article about same-sex marriage in Mexico showed up across several different searches, so I added it to the article, but it's still not in-depth. The subject does not seem to pass WP:GNG. A sensible alternative to deletion is to redirect to Seventy (LDS Church), where the subject can be discussed in a more notable context, if desired. Open to alternatives if in-depth coverage emerges. Bakazaka (talk) 01:34, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually a better redirect target would be List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, where information on subject already exists. Bakazaka (talk) 20:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)


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