Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arsames (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Beeblebrox (talk) 07:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Arsames (band)

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Non-notable band, it's hard to find sources to assert notability. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 09:15, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: Low G hits with low quality as the nom refered, refrences cant pas WP:RS, the article fails to meet WP:Music. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 09:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: Metal Hammer is one of the biggest metal mag. they wrote an article about arsames, Arsames play in Unirock Open Air Festival with Arch Enemy, Amon Amarth and... they 've got the most vote for Metalcamp 2009 that the bands like Nightwish, Blind Guardian played on that fest. They Releaed one signed albume in worlwide. I think there is no reason to delete this article about one of greatest persian metal band. --Peace (talk) 11:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: just search UK and Germany Metal Hammer webzine, there is no result! also no coverage in many other reliable sources,also their myspace page says they are unsigned! I think the article is a hoax too Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 12:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * one more thing, why there is no live review about this band anywhere if they are notable because of playing live concerts!? and plz provide reliable sources for you comments. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 12:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

And Please take look at this and video and take look at these articles: Unirock Open Air Festival and Metalcamp.--Peace (talk) 20:06, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Replay: That was not an online article but printed, Look at this photos, all article of metalhammer is not online! Check Myspace again dude, I think you can see that it fixed now!
 * Comment: photos and videos are not reliable sources for Wikipedia, and according to WP:Music the record label should be a well known indi at least and the band should have 2 albums, from the other hand playing some concerts doesnt make a band notabel enough for wikipedia, thousands of bands play concerts, wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a social network, strongly suggest you to read WP:Music. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 07:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete:: No reliable third-party sources can be found.Farhikht (talk) 11:43, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  —Farhikht (talk) 11:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Replay: That Phots are not my source but that article, you told me that article is Hoax then I show you those! Something you should undrestand It's about a persian metal band not an american or eurpean, The metal is forbidden in iran. Look at these articles: Sabhankra, Mezarkabul, Hollenthon ... I'm persian wikipedian and I know what the rules said, you should better to tag this as more sources needed! --Peace (talk) 13:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: I concur with Mfaiiazi reasoning. These guys are notable in Iran. According to Prohibition of rock and metal geners in our country, They are forced to release their music as underground and covert. Metal hammer coverage is substantial enough to constitute significant coverage in a reliable source. Cobain (talk) 05:56, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: as I said thier name does not appear in the band section of Metlahammer, Hammer also writes demo reviews does that make a band notable too? if so we would have thousands of new articles, if a band is notable in Metal Hammer you can easily find many other reliable sources about them too specially when the author used that source to call them Iron Maiden or Death of Iran! Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 07:33, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * one more thing, did they actually play at Metalcamp? I dont think so, and also Mfaiiazi created another article about a non notable band that hase been deleted with speedy deletion. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 09:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

That Article you talked about was my first time writing on wikipedia, I didn't know the rules but I think we are not here to judge me! You are on wrong way I think dude! --Peace (talk) 13:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Replay: That was a separated article about arsames! You should attend to this!


 * Keep: Concur with Cobain and Mfaiiazi. Arsame is Notable in Iran and I found this on Amazon, So they are signed band. --Arash (talk) 15:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Amazon is a online store not a source!!! obviously fails WP:RS, the serious problem about the metal hammer source, the article says: "They 've got many positive reaction from fans and critics as they addressed arsames as iron maiden and death of iran" so why we can't find any of this critics?! why the G hits have low guality and why there is nothing about this band on allmusic ?! not even their name Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 06:52, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Replay: You 're amazing dude, Buy that mag. and see that article with your own eyes!--Peace (talk) 22:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete . The only coverage in a reliable source that would possibly be of use here to establish notability is the Metal Hammer article, but it's clear from the pictures on Facebook that this is very brief. It's only one source, and not sufficient basis for an article here.--Michig (talk) 07:30, 25 January 2011 (UTC) The Timeout Dubai article below and this article from The Telegraph (Kolkata), make this at least a Weak keep for me. The coverage isn't substantial enough to make it clear cut, but three different reliable sources from three countries outside their own should make the band worthy of at least a short article.--Michig (talk) 22:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: They are Notable in Persian speaking world. Kaaveh (talk) 16:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: I dont think so Kaaveh, here is the Persian G hits: search result, very low G hits, low quality also in Farsi, some of the results refrer to a commander named Arsames from Old Persia. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 07:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: If you search it in Persian, you will find alot about this band. Regards, *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  15:32, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Due to political and religious issues in Iran, It is very difficult (I should say impossible) to perform such things inside Iran. As you can see, most of their performances are outside Iran. Therefore not only I believe it should not be deleted from wikipedia, but also I would like to ask all editors to introduce more of these hidden groups (bands) from Iran. There are many of them. *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  04:22, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * your search result has only 345 hits! obviously not enough to assert notability. there are many good artciles about Iranian musicians in wikipedia with reliable sources. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 07:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Also Wikipedia is not a soapbox. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:56, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Well, actually searching it again with the correct dictation in Persian, turned out to be 2460 hits. I believe it's enough to be notable. *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  21:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * See Search engine test. Number of Google hits does not give a reliable guide to notability.--Michig (talk) 21:56, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Dear Justin, Which part of the article makes you say that it is a soapbox ?! Even if you find such a thing, Why not deleting that specific part, instead of deleting the whole article ? It's not really fair. Regards, *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  19:07, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per Mfaiiazi and per AWP:Energy conservation.°°Playmobilonhishorse (talk) 09:20, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ??? Wait - Energy Conservation?? - ManicSpider (talk) 10:47, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: more refrences: An interview with Arsames on extreminal.com, Arsames in indian tv and Press conference,   ARSAMES Death Metal band from Iran :: JorZine Bands,  Timeout Dubai Mag.. I will add them to the article tomorrow, Now I'm so tired. Have good day. --Peace (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The TimeOut one adds something towards establishing notability, but yet more webzines and a youtube video don't really help.--Michig (talk) 22:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep:per Peace. Ladsgroupبحث 15:14, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Mfaiiazi (Peace) plz read WP:RS non of your links can pass it. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 18:59, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note. I've added the Kolkata Telegraph and Time Out Dubai sources and tidied the article a little. May be worth another look for those who judged the article as it was at the start of the AFD.--Michig (talk) 21:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Add "Band braves ban for a blare - Iran metal musicians to rock Gangtok on sunday" in Voice of Sikkim, 19 November 2010. to the coverage. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:18, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep As much as I'm loathe to become involved in a debate that has already gone on so long (but with how many actual participants one wonders? ^_^) there seems to be sufficient coverage in the article to establish notability. I'd also say this - on my reading of WP:RS there is no reason why a video cannot be a reliable source, especially if it is a video from a national news service. It doesn't say notability can only ever be proven by print media - therefore I think the Indian news clips from YouTube could count as reliable sources. There is perhaps a little too much WP:Fancruft in amongst the encyclopedic content, but that can always be removed. - ManicSpider (talk) 10:34, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.